Re: FHA preliminary offering
[Re: Boco]
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02/15/24 09:47 AM
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They got a big list of buyers registered for the auction-no need for pt most likely why they cancelled it. More buyers than fur available. OK, If you read that kinda fast it sounds like the next fur boom is here. Boco I admire your optimism.
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Re: FHA preliminary offering
[Re: mud]
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02/15/24 10:08 AM
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Not sure of the maths Jim. Around here a $40 hammer marten, after 11% commission and .75 drumming gets u $34.85 not $30. Ontario royalty fee only comes off for Ontario origin fur and, to the best of my knowledge, comes off regardless of where the fur is sold not just FHA. $15 shipping fee, regardless of how much fur u ship, is a deal compared to Post Office or commercial carrier. And no shipping fee deducted on less than $100 worth of fur shipped is good for the little guys/beginners. The magazine, and the $10 charge for it, were dropped a couple of years now.
What have I missed?
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Re: FHA preliminary offering
[Re: mud]
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02/15/24 10:20 AM
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Fee loading definately incentifies fha towards clearance
Who is John Galt?
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Re: FHA preliminary offering
[Re: gibb]
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02/15/24 10:31 AM
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james bay frontierOnt.
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That's my point a $10 fee on the back end on a $30 dollar otter average is 33% of the hammer price which is directly taken out of the trappers pocket.
$2.00 handling $8 CITES fee
Fha is the biggest middleman in the industry.
Take away the fees and the hammer price would go by supply and demand.
Padding the bottom line with fees kills the industry. They look great on a spread sheet on a financial report but kill the business. Why didnt you get rid of those fees when you were on the board and worked at FHA,and when you were on the board of directors at Nafa. You are a disgruntled ex employee,and now a competitor is why you changed your spots.
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Re: FHA preliminary offering
[Re: gibb]
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02/15/24 10:37 AM
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Nancy you know exactly what the extra fees cost you so you bid accordingly. If all the extra fees added on were not there you could bid more.
The laws of supply and demand would up the hammer price and the trapper would receive more for their catch.
It is not really a commission base auction anymore.
This is not true,people buy what they want and any costs are passed on to those who buy from them. I know this well with the increase in tanning costs.I dont tan any less but I did have to increase my prices to cover inflation.
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Re: FHA preliminary offering
[Re: Boco]
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02/15/24 10:41 AM
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That's my point a $10 fee on the back end on a $30 dollar otter average is 33% of the hammer price which is directly taken out of the trappers pocket.
$2.00 handling $8 CITES fee
Fha is the biggest middleman in the industry.
Take away the fees and the hammer price would go by supply and demand.
Padding the bottom line with fees kills the industry. They look great on a spread sheet on a financial report but kill the business. Why didnt you get rid of those fees when you were on the board and worked at FHA,and when you were on the board of directors at Nafa. You are a disgruntled ex employee,and now a competitor is why you changed your spots. OUCH !!!! True Dat !!!!! BOCO just hit the nail squarely on the head. However, The skin game is the most corrupt, crooked, & diabolical industry in North America and that's putting it mildly. All the major players have dirt on their hands. walleyed
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Re: FHA preliminary offering
[Re: mud]
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02/15/24 10:54 AM
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If you back calculate what the buyers are actually paying for pelts, then you can estimate what the mark up the local fur buyer is getting for his pelts selling to the same end users. I'm not sure FHA is the biggest middleman? P.S. I'm not going to ship them $40 marten. Just so they know. 
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Re: FHA preliminary offering
[Re: mud]
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02/15/24 11:04 AM
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Pretty sure your marten would do much better than that dirt. But not as much as you get hawking them to the cruise ship tourists.
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Re: FHA preliminary offering
[Re: Boco]
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02/15/24 11:09 AM
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Pretty sure your marten would do much better than that dirt. But not as much as you get hawking them to the cruise ship tourists. What do I get hawking them to cruise ship tourist? Where do you come up with this stuff? I'm aware of FHA's marten strategy this year. BTW How do you know gibb did not advocate for getting rid of fees when he was on those boards and maybe nobody listened to him?
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Re: FHA preliminary offering
[Re: mud]
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02/15/24 11:20 AM
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Their website is a joke. Little Mom and pop stores have better. Oh yes be patient and eventually you’ll get your check, results, grading . I suppose but customers don’t like it but I’m getting of the opinion they don’t want a lot of fur or customers . Heck of a way to run a business.
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Re: FHA preliminary offering
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02/15/24 12:43 PM
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Good point Wissmiss - why would buyers care about drumming fees. Saw them somewhere. Must try and find out where. Thanks for the correction.
Did some looking under FHA site and closest can find is under "Shipping to FHA" are "Conditions of Sale". Conditions list 11% commission and drumming fees but do not list those fees. Contacted Cheryl at FHA and asked her to send me what they are. If I get them will ask her to post under "Conditions of Sale".
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Re: FHA preliminary offering
[Re: blackhammer]
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02/15/24 12:59 PM
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Their website is a joke. Little Mom and pop stores have better. Oh yes be patient and eventually you’ll get your check, results, grading . I suppose but customers don’t like it but I’m getting of the opinion they don’t want a lot of fur or customers . Heck of a way to run a business. This^^^ is what I don't understand about FHA.
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Re: FHA preliminary offering
[Re: blackhammer]
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02/15/24 02:35 PM
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Their website is a joke. Little Mom and pop stores have better. Oh yes be patient and eventually you’ll get your check, results, grading . I suppose but customers don’t like it but I’m getting of the opinion they don’t want a lot of fur or customers . Heck of a way to run a business. If you don't like the FHA website you could try NAFA. They have had a great website and live auction broadcast!
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