Re: FHA preliminary offering
[Re: Steven 49er]
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02/20/24 02:10 PM
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gibb
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My contribution this year will be more beaver this year than yours will be.
I don't like the fees, I also don't like how route buyers like Groenwold et al help to keep prices depressed.
I should be close to a hundred this year, Different trapping system then what you have.
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Re: FHA preliminary offering
[Re: Steven 49er]
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02/20/24 02:11 PM
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I don't like the fees, I also don't like how route buyers like Groenwold et al help to keep prices depressed.
100%. There is no incentive to push prices. Add insult to injury, speak candidly on how it’s not a concern if trappers prosper. Better to be silent and thought a fool than speak and leave no doubt. Not a fan. However in today’s world I’m not sure FHA is up to the challenges. Sad reality.
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Re: FHA preliminary offering
[Re: gibb]
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02/20/24 02:46 PM
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Western bobcats is a very niche market and yes a lot of end up at the auction.Not sure about today's volume, keep in mind a lot of the really good cats sell late in the season.
I am speaking in more general terms about the main three, beaver, raccoon and muskrats.
Mr, George was a real piece of work.
A lot of us use to wonder out loud why so much time was wasted on so small a volume, takes hours to sell them for little return. Raccoon and muskrats harvest numbers are pretty low due to less demand so trappers and fur buyers may send them. Beaver numbers at auction should be lower because fur buyers can move them into the market and they do not need a middleman.
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Re: FHA preliminary offering
[Re: wissmiss]
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02/20/24 03:53 PM
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I agree with Slick Pan about western bobcats. In fact , I could name names but won’t. When NAFA went belly up, one western cat dealer flew to Toronto picked up his cats and drove them to North Bay. Not sure if they are still there or not.
SP makes a very good point about goods dealers don’t really want but are “forced” to buy them to get what they want. FH is a good way for them to sell those unwanted goods.
A buyer goes to a trappers house and wants to buy only certain items. Many trappers want to sell the entire collection. What is a buyer to do with 7 possum and 3 raccoon when he came to buy beaver and otter. Send the possum and raccoon to FH. And that is the reason that trappers get less for their fur than dealers (normally) do. It's a dealers job to separate fur and sell it to who wants to buy certain items, that's what the auctions do. The analogy I like to use to explain this to trappers is, if you went into the grocery store and HAD TO BUY everything on a shelf to get what you want you'd want to pay less or go elsewhere. Same with the fur business, you get more by selling people exactly what they want/need and find markets for everything. I don't think there will be a market for early, not quite fully prime, or late past prime fur for a long time. With the exception of beaver for the hatter market, for as long as that holds out. High quality shearing beaver will sell for much more at FHA than the hatter market will pay for them, they were a good item at retail this year and manufacturers are searching for these quality skins.
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Re: FHA preliminary offering
[Re: mud]
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02/20/24 04:16 PM
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Good points Wy Wolfer. M Downey told me a similar story/ the high end mid winter heavy beavers are getting a premium over the hatter goods. Important for the long term survival of Beaver market. Underice trappers like myself should get rewarded on at least the top end pelts. Surprised at low harvest numbers- would increasing prices even help that much? Beavers are hard work for all - especially if you don’t have proven handling skills … so many big beaver trappers are long gone - or getting old. The guys that caught hundreds every season/ not 15 and 40 etc. still happy to see beaver prices advance (while ignoring what was vs inflation)
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Re: FHA preliminary offering
[Re: CDNLongline]
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02/20/24 04:22 PM
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Good points Wy Wolfer. M Downey told me a similar story/ the high end mid winter heavy beavers are getting a premium over the hatter goods. Important for the long term survival of Beaver market. Underice trappers like myself should get rewarded on at least the top end pelts. Surprised at low harvest numbers- would increasing prices even help that much? Beavers are hard work for all - especially if you don’t have proven handling skills … so many big beaver trappers are long gone - or getting old. The guys that caught hundreds every season/ not 15 and 40 etc. still happy to see beaver prices advance (while ignoring what was vs inflation) Yep^^^ Those that continue to trap beaver may have a few more to put on the market, but there are no "new" beaver trappers producing beavers just because of this increase in prices. Ain't happening.
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Re: FHA preliminary offering
[Re: gibb]
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02/20/24 04:55 PM
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My contribution this year will be more beaver this year than yours will be.
I don't like the fees, I also don't like how route buyers like Groenwold et al help to keep prices depressed.
I should be close to a hundred this year, Different trapping system then what you have. Looks like ole Trapper Ron's system where you use $60,000 worth of equipment to catch $5,000 worth of fur.
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Re: FHA preliminary offering
[Re: mud]
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02/20/24 08:18 PM
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Dirt you are well aware that Trapper Ron was put up in North Bay with a collections site just to be a thorn in FHA ( Gibbs) side and pull fur from them.
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Re: FHA preliminary offering
[Re: Northof50]
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02/20/24 08:24 PM
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Dirt you are well aware that Trapper Ron was put up in North Bay with a collections site just to be a thorn in FHA ( Gibbs) side and pull fur from them. What am I suppose to make of that?
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Re: FHA preliminary offering
[Re: wy.wolfer]
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02/20/24 10:34 PM
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Steven 49er
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[ I should be close to a hundred this year, Different trapping system then what you have. A hundred is a good catch, a lot of work goes into it. You are correct, our systems are much different. High quality shearing beaver will sell for much more at FHA than the hatter market will pay for them, they were a good item at retail this year and manufacturers are searching for these quality skins.
What levels are we talking? 80 dollar basis for shearable blanket beaver? That's USD, not CDN. If not you guys are just blowing smoke. If so, i've put together probably the best collection of beaver I ever have. None taken before Dec 1 and 2/3 taken in the last month with traps still in the water. If anyone is interested they will be for sale shortly. '
"Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon". Milton Friedman.
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Re: FHA preliminary offering
[Re: nimzy]
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02/20/24 10:43 PM
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100%. There is no incentive to push prices. Add insult to injury, speak candidly on how it’s not a concern if trappers prosper.
Boy howdy there is a lot of truth in that statement. I cringe when I hear from a buyer that 30 dollar beaver or 5 dollar rats is good money. Lets see how long the buyer produces them at those levels.
"Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon". Milton Friedman.
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Re: FHA preliminary offering
[Re: nimzy]
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02/21/24 05:46 PM
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Dirt
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I don't like the fees, I also don't like how route buyers like Groenwold et al help to keep prices depressed.
100%. There is no incentive to push prices. Add insult to injury, speak candidly on how it’s not a concern if trappers prosper. Better to be silent and thought a fool than speak and leave no doubt. Not a fan. However in today’s world I’m not sure FHA is up to the challenges. Sad reality. I think he is pretty sure of himself among Kevin Bacon ( Thank you sir! May I have another? ) trappers.
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Re: FHA preliminary offering
[Re: mud]
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02/21/24 07:54 PM
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Re: FHA preliminary offering
[Re: mud]
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02/22/24 12:32 PM
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Good article,but he forgot all about the Russian fur auction houses.
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