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Re: What to do? [Re: Kong] #8084288
02/23/24 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Kong
That guy already set the boundaries and expectations when he declined to give you permission. He has already made it known how he would feel. Call him immediately, ask why you have him on camera. Be direct with your expectations. Be done with it.

This^^^


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Re: What to do? [Re: MNEric] #8084302
02/23/24 10:06 AM
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Nip it in the bud.Next thing he will have half a dozen hunting buddies in there with him.Especialy since he declined you permission.Takes some nerve.

Last edited by upstateNY; 02/23/24 10:08 AM.

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Re: What to do? [Re: MNEric] #8084371
02/23/24 11:26 AM
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I would tell him the next timeyou catch him on your property you will set up a line on his.


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Re: What to do? [Re: MNEric] #8084388
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Here's one way you could discretely handle this. You could say if you want to run your dogs thru my property, let me know beforehand so I can take down my snares. Because you would hate to catch "another" expensive dog in one of them. This will get his attention and gives you the opportunity to say maybe stay out if he asks for permission.

This happened to me one day when two gps collared dogs were hanging around our yard. I thought I knew who they belonged to (neighbor who has permission) but it was someone else. When they came to pickup the dogs, I chatted with them, they were decent people. I did mention I had snares out and he said "I know, one of our dogs was in one". He reached into the back of his truck and showed me the snare they cut off of the dog. Thankfully the dog didnt fight the snare so when they caught up to it, he was ok. He did however mention they had two dogs get hit and killed by cars that winter. It was then when he said how much $$ they had invested into each dog. They even sent them to a trainer in Iowa during the off season to keep them sharp.

Re: What to do? [Re: MNEric] #8084430
02/23/24 01:57 PM
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The neighbors don't mind him walking all over theres?

Re: What to do? [Re: MNEric] #8084445
02/23/24 02:13 PM
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The fact you posted almost 3 weeks later than the pic was taken, means you really don’t care, lol.
We get a trespasser we don’t know, it’s straight to social media to see if anyone knows who it is and how to contact them. Most of the time it’s handled within and hour or two. A couple times the trespassers themselves contacted us explaining the circumstances. Every once in a while no one has a clue so we set another camera or two and either we catch them or have the sheriffs department come do it. 50% of the time we press charges.

Re: What to do? [Re: Wanna Be] #8084496
02/23/24 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Wanna Be
The fact you posted almost 3 weeks later than the pic was taken, means you really don’t care, lol.
We get a trespasser we don’t know, it’s straight to social media to see if anyone knows who it is and how to contact them. Most of the time it’s handled within and hour or two. A couple times the trespassers themselves contacted us explaining the circumstances. Every once in a while no one has a clue so we set another camera or two and either we catch them or have the sheriffs department come do it. 50% of the time we press charges.

You are correct the picture was 3 weeks before I posted it. Does that mean I stewed on it for 3 weeks? Kind of a naive assumption. I just checked my camera Tuesday evening.

Re: What to do? [Re: Reaperman] #8084526
02/23/24 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Reaperman
Here's one way you could discretely handle this. You could say if you want to run your dogs thru my property, let me know beforehand so I can take down my snares. Because you would hate to catch "another" expensive dog in one of them. This will get his attention ...


^^^^^ this ^^^^^

Don't want to trust yourself not to be confrontational, send the picture and the note to him by registered mail so he has to sign for the note. And yes, it costs a few bucks. Keep a copy of the note, picture with time stamp, and post office receipt. If no further conversations and he continues to trespass, turn the current evidence and past documentation over to law enforcement to allow them to have a conversation with the man.


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Re: What to do? [Re: Scott__aR] #8084529
02/23/24 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Scott__aR
Originally Posted by Reaperman
Here's one way you could discretely handle this. You could say if you want to run your dogs thru my property, let me know beforehand so I can take down my snares. Because you would hate to catch "another" expensive dog in one of them. This will get his attention ...


^^^^^ this ^^^^^

Don't want to trust yourself not to be confrontational, send the picture and the note to him by registered mail so he has to sign for the note. And yes, it costs a few bucks. Keep a copy of the note, picture with time stamp, and post office receipt. If no further conversations and he continues to trespass, turn the current evidence and past documentation over to law enforcement to allow them to have a conversation with the man.


Except that you now have documentation that you have snares out when it's not trapping season.

Re: What to do? [Re: MNEric] #8084621
02/23/24 07:30 PM
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You have the picture Eric no matter if it was yesterday or last month. This guy isn't going to stop. Had the same situation here a few years ago. Until it was brought to the local wardens attention it finally ended. They were glad they visited the gentleman because he was nailed on many more charges then just trespassing.

Re: What to do? [Re: BernieB.] #8084627
02/23/24 07:36 PM
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[/quote] Except that you now have documentation that you have snares out when it's not trapping season. [/quote]

Not so, January is still trapping season.

Re: What to do? [Re: MNEric] #8084629
02/23/24 07:40 PM
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Send him a copy of the Ned Beatty scene from Deliverance. Tell him that's in his future if you catch him again.

Re: What to do? [Re: ToTheWoods] #8084635
02/23/24 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by ToTheWoods
AVERAGE JOE. You are incorrect about being able to retrieve animals from private property without permission.

Minnesota Statute Chapter 609.605 details Criminal Trespassing. The statutes state that a person is guilty of a misdemeanor if the person intentionally:

(1) permits domestic animals or fowls under the actor's control to go on the land of another within a city;

If your animal is on my property without permission you allowed it to happen by not controlling your animal properly.


Actually, you're incorrect.

Minnesota Statutes

97B.001 TRESPASS.

Subd. 6.Retrieving hunting dogs. A person on foot may, without permission of the owner, occupant, or lessee, enter private land without a firearm to retrieve a hunting dog. After retrieving the dog, the person must immediately leave the premises.

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/97B.001#stat.97B.001.6


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Re: What to do? [Re: Average Joe] #8084638
02/23/24 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Average Joe
Does that make it ok to trespass without permission?

In my state it does . For got the law but something along thine of as long as your just retrieving your dog and not actively hunting you don't need permission. That being said most people down here seem pretty dang chill about it . Like as long as you don't rut up the fields, leave gates open or break fences not many seem to really care unless their just pricks.. there also not as many well marked boundaries in a lot of places around here so most are pretty understanding.

Now it's different if you actively turned your dog loose on somones property you don't have permission on and proceeded to hunt it or you "accidentally" did something. That also being said since a lot of these land owners around here are out of state many don't seem to care too much about it as long as stuff isn't broken or it's not a super common thing.... mainly as long as isn't no happening then 4weeks out the year their there.

Re: What to do? [Re: MNEric] #8084667
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Im seriously surprised that there's not more shootings between land owners and dog men.

Re: What to do? [Re: Ohio Wolverine] #8084700
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Originally Posted by Ohio Wolverine
Originally Posted by Scout1
Private property is private property.



Are you going to own it forever?
Yes personal space is granted, but just hikers passing through , is that really killing you?
Only time I was upset with people passing through, is when those people wouldn't allow people on their property, but felt they could do as they pleased on mine.
Again sad people that feel they need total control.

Give them an inch and they’ll take a mile. On my property I expect people to ask. I haven’t told anyone no, YET. Come on my property and I want to know the reason. I pay the taxes so anyone else can ask for permission. I hunt what small amount I have, but allow a couple of others that ASKED to hunt and encourage them to. Not trying to be rude to you but just stating the facts. Mostly I tell the ones that have permission is to not pee my neighbors off.


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Re: What to do? [Re: MNEric] #8084727
02/23/24 09:06 PM
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Just another dog hunter doing what dog hunters have always done.

Trespassing, poaching, trap smashing, fur stealing, low life criminals
masquerading as outdoor sportsmen & violating your private property rights.

I'd be talking to the game warden & showing him the evidence, then pressing charges.

This is especially egregious since he refused you permission on his property.

There's no friendly neighbor relations to tip toe around here,

This dog hunter dirt bag is playing you for a fool.

Burn him !!!

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Re: What to do? [Re: MNEric] #8084735
02/23/24 09:13 PM
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Lots of misinformation on this thread!!


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Re: What to do? [Re: MNEric] #8084827
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Spot on Walleyed!!!! No permission----Stay off....unless of course they identify as dogs..

Re: What to do? [Re: MNEric] #8084859
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Better off just setting the parameters ahead of time when/ when not.

I know it's a touching subject but if you have let's say 80 acres and dogs are following a coyote, chances are,"" unless they catch it", those dogs will most likely spend more then a few minutes on that property.


Everyone landowner hates coyotes but Lord forbid....

For you pissing about it, ask the houndmens to go with on a chase next time. You'll learn they ain't the boggiemen most think they are.

As for the Op's pic, that chase could have started 10 miles away. Just ended up on yours?

The " I've got snares set" ploy doesn't work well.


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These guys have GPS collars on their dogs and usually know where thier dogs are.

Bottom line,... houndmens have great pride in seeing thier dogs run what they are trained to do.. and a good group of dogs can do what the best hunters/ trappers can't get done. Embrace them!

The guys I know are super concerned about not running hounds during deer season ( which some states run WAY TO LONG)

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You have to remember that 1 out of 3 Democratic Voters is just as dumb as the other two.
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