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|  Predator Control on Wildlife Refuges
 #8088291 02/28/24 04:06 PM
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All, The US Fish and Wildlife Service is currently taking comments on a proposed rule for the management of the National Wildlife Refuge System (NWRS).  The proposed rule specifically addresses prohibiting predator management on the NWRS but also notes that recreational hunting and fishing of predators is not considered predator management. It is unclear as to whether trapping is considered as a part of recreational hunting or not or if this only applies to APHIS Wildlife Services in their roles on the NWRS. In addition, we all know that predator management is important in managing predator populations both on specific properties as well as adjacent properties so this rule could have impacts to nearby areas. The comment period is open until March 4, 2024.  The following is a link to the proposed rule. You can submit your comments by clicking on the Comment link in the upper left side under the title.Proposed Rule: NWRS: Biol. Integrity, Diversity, and Environmental Health I am encouraging everyone to submit comments on this proposed rule as there have been 17,000+ comments already submitted and the few I've read are saying predator trapping is evil with all of the same misinformation that we typically hear. If we don't comments, perception is going to be we don't care.  I submitted comments on behalf of the FTA today and am willing to share the pdf if anyone is interested.  Feel free to reach out if you have any questions. Jason Wisniewski Fur Takers of America |  |  |  
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|  Re: Predator Control on Wildlife Refuges
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 #8088351 02/28/24 05:44 PM
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|  Re: Predator Control on Wildlife Refuges
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 #8088379 02/28/24 06:30 PM
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|  Re: Predator Control on Wildlife Refuges
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 #8089040 02/29/24 01:12 PM
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I’ll be commenting, thanks for posting.
 When I was a kid, I submitted a bid to trap a NWR.  If I recall it was rather inexpensive and gave me access to literally tens of thousands of acres.  The only thing I could not trap was coyotes because refuge management believes (and still does) that coyotes prey on foxes and foxes eat ducks.  Raising ducks was the primary mission of this refuge, so no coyotes were allowed to be trapped.  It’s still that way.
 
 
thats the Mesopredator theory, Its not just foxes, its raccoons, skunks and possums. Studies have shown that coyotes act as a control on these animals and that these animals are more detrimental to nesting ground birds than coyotes. Its not just ducks its also pheasants and quail. In fact Pheasants forever also believes in this. So leaving coyotes alone is a benefit. |  |  |  
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|  Re: Predator Control on Wildlife Refuges
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 #8089046 02/29/24 01:19 PM
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I’ll be commenting, thanks for posting.
 When I was a kid, I submitted a bid to trap a NWR.  If I recall it was rather inexpensive and gave me access to literally tens of thousands of acres.  The only thing I could not trap was coyotes because refuge management believes (and still does) that coyotes prey on foxes and foxes eat ducks.  Raising ducks was the primary mission of this refuge, so no coyotes were allowed to be trapped.  It’s still that way.
 
 
thats the Mesopredator theory, Its not just foxes, its raccoons, skunks and possums. Studies have shown that coyotes act as a control on these animals and that these animals are more detrimental to nesting ground birds than coyotes. Its not just ducks its also pheasants and quail. In fact Pheasants forever also believes in this. So leaving coyotes alone is a benefit.  That's why you trap them all.    Hard. |  |  |  
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|  Re: Predator Control on Wildlife Refuges
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 #8089180 02/29/24 06:03 PM
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I’ll be commenting, thanks for posting.
 When I was a kid, I submitted a bid to trap a NWR.  If I recall it was rather inexpensive and gave me access to literally tens of thousands of acres.  The only thing I could not trap was coyotes because refuge management believes (and still does) that coyotes prey on foxes and foxes eat ducks.  Raising ducks was the primary mission of this refuge, so no coyotes were allowed to be trapped.  It’s still that way.
 
 
thats the Mesopredator theory, Its not just foxes, its raccoons, skunks and possums. Studies have shown that coyotes act as a control on these animals and that these animals are more detrimental to nesting ground birds than coyotes. Its not just ducks its also pheasants and quail. In fact Pheasants forever also believes in this. So leaving coyotes alone is a benefit.Another study done in one part of the country that they think applies everywhere. I can pretty much guarantee if a coyote has a hen on a nest vs fox/coon/possum…he’s taking the hen and nest every time. Coyotes won’t touch coon or possum carcasses here, and other than the study in Texas I’ve never seen evidence of them even acting like they want any part of a coon or possum.  I don’t trap coyotes for ducks, but I’ll trap/kill everyone I can find to save a turkey. |  |  |  
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|  Re: Predator Control on Wildlife Refuges
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 #8089300 02/29/24 08:20 PM
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The following is the letter that the animal rights, anti-trapping activists are wanting their members to send. Their "Coexistence" strategy is one that is entirely based on the mythical notion that active predator management is no longer needed, that all species will live in a state of equilibrium if man just steps aside. Trappers and hunters know this is not true!  Our National Refuges today, Our public lands tomorrow.      Following quote is AR's boiler plate letter to the USFWS.  
 "I support the USFWS taking a step in the right direction through the proposed regulation aiming to limit predator control across the National Wildlife Refuge System, as outlined in docket number FWS–HQ–NWRS–2022–0106. Nevertheless, the regulation should explicitly forbid trapping and the killing of predators for recreation and "damage control". All of these practices, excluded from the current rule, are deemed inhumane and contradict the fundamental purpose of establishing these lands as sanctuaries for wildlife.
 
 The National Wildlife Refuge System is the only home many wolves, bears, mountain lions, bobcats, and foxes have ever known. The prohibition of predator-control programs and indiscriminate body-gripping traps on refuges is essential for making their home safer, increasing their wellbeing, and allowing them to flourish. As a result, carnivores will be able to fulfill their ecological roles, which promote ecosystem resilience, biodiversity and human well-being."
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|  Re: Predator Control on Wildlife Refuges
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 #8089310 02/29/24 08:30 PM
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When trained biologist opinions are replaced with feelings then wildlife will be mismanaged from that day on. The saying in MI that stuck in my head was that, ““every persons a deer expert 2 weeks a year”. Bunny huggers have no idea of how conservation even works so why ask for input when you already know what they think. 
 Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!
 
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|  Re: Predator Control on Wildlife Refuges
[Re: Wiz]
 #8089495 02/29/24 11:15 PM
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Some of the rules and regs on some National Wildlife Refuges and state Game Management areas seem like a politician who has never been outside the city limits of Washington DC, set them.  For example, in Arkansas, feral hogs are, and have been for years, out of control.  Destroying habitat, ground nests, compete with wildlife for food, etc.  Yet, page 27, of the 2023/34 AR Hunting Guidebook lists no less than 60 NWRs and GMAs, that feral hogs are protected 24/7/365. |  |  |  
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|  Re: Predator Control on Wildlife Refuges
[Re: Wiz]
 #8110226 03/28/24 11:13 PM
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Hey y'all, I wanted to bump this thread as I learned some new information about this published proposal this week at the WMI North American Wildlife and Natural Resources Conference. Apparently, this policy was published in the FR with a tighter than normal turn around time and it caught many state agencies and regional organizations off-guard. As a result, the Fish & Wildlife Service has re-opened the comment period until May 4, 2024.USFWS BIDEH Policy and Comments Some long-time agency professionals have said that this is a policy that everyone needs to pay attention to and comment on. They said after discussions with retired refuge managers, this policy could eliminate sound wildlife management on refuges which will bleed over onto nearby lands which are frequently state refuges under the management of state agencies.  At last count, there were over 100,000 comments submitted with the vast majority being from anti groups through their mass mailing systems.  I'd encourage everyone to submit comments if you have not already with focus specifically on the fact that predator control needs to be defined and the inconsistent management of the refuges in relationship to the landscapes around them. Let me know if you have any questions for which I can help. Jason Wisniewski Fur Takers of America |  |  |  
 
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