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SCOTUS to Hear Arguments on Bump Stock Ban Today #8087966
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Gun store owner Michael Cargill challenged the Bump Stock Ban after he was forced to surrender two bump stocks back in 2018. The case has worked it's way up to the Supreme Court where arguments concerning the legality of the ruling will be heard today.

Cargill is represented by the New Civil Liberties Alliance, a conservative legal organization.

Here is a link to an article by the Washinton Post:

Bump Stock Ban to be Argued Before SCOTUS Today


Eh...wot?

Re: SCOTUS to Hear Arguments on Bump Stock Ban Today [Re: Lugnut] #8088147
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Re: SCOTUS to Hear Arguments on Bump Stock Ban Today [Re: 330-Trapper] #8089563
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Need to get rid of as they serve no legitimate use and make gun owners look bad.

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Re: SCOTUS to Hear Arguments on Bump Stock Ban Today [Re: Lugnut] #8089674
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Based on the justice's questions and opinions during arguments Wednesday they seemed split along ideological lines, liberals on one side, conservatives on the other. If that hold we should get a favorable decision which is expected by end of June this year.

Some excerpts in this article:

SCOUTUS Hears Bumpstock Arguments


Eh...wot?

Re: SCOTUS to Hear Arguments on Bump Stock Ban Today [Re: Lugnut] #8089678
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Even some of the questions from conservative judges shows they lack completely understanding if function. But will probably get a positive ruling based on the flip flop it's ok for x years and now it's not, and that the rule change should be a law change by Congress not an unelected agency over stepping it's authority.

Re: SCOTUS to Hear Arguments on Bump Stock Ban Today [Re: Fishnfool] #8089685
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Originally Posted by Fishnfool
Need to get rid of as they serve no legitimate use and make gun owners look bad.

Agreed! And there is no legitimate use for anything more than a single shot .410. That's all anyone should ever need!

Re: SCOTUS to Hear Arguments on Bump Stock Ban Today [Re: Lugnut] #8089692
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Well Sleepy Joe did give us his blessing to have a double barreled shotgun. Not to shoot anything with but just to "walk out on the balcony and fire two blasts." That should be enough to scare any threat away and is all any American needs for self-defense.


Eh...wot?

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Originally Posted by Lugnut
Well Sleepy Joe did give us his blessing to have a double barreled shotgun. Not to shoot anything with but just to "walk out on the balcony and fire two blasts." That should be enough to scare any threat away and is all any American needs for self-defense.

True. And he also said that deer aren't out there running around in kevlar vests. The man is a genius.

Re: SCOTUS to Hear Arguments on Bump Stock Ban Today [Re: Lugnut] #8089702
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I would never own a bump stock, I think they're a stupid waste of money. If I really want to waste ammo I can bump fire my AR (and most other semi-auto rifles) simply by hooking a thump in my belt loop and keeping back pressure on the weapon.

I do think the ban was an overreach of authority and an infringement on 2A.

I believe it will be reversed on legal technicality.


Eh...wot?

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Originally Posted by trapdog1
The man is a genius.


He very obviously is. He knows things none of us would have ever imagined.


Eh...wot?

Re: SCOTUS to Hear Arguments on Bump Stock Ban Today [Re: Lugnut] #8089723
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Originally Posted by Lugnut
I would never own a bump stock, I think they're a stupid waste of money. If I really want to waste ammo I can bump fire my AR (and most other semi-auto rifles) simply by hooking a thump in my belt loop and keeping back pressure on the weapon.

I do think the ban was an overreach of authority and an infringement on 2A.

I believe it will be reversed on legal technicality.


I wonder how long it will be before they ban bump belt loops. Don't people realize they danger those present?


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Re: SCOTUS to Hear Arguments on Bump Stock Ban Today [Re: Lugnut] #8089780
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it was a bad idea in the first place , dangerous precedent that government can say anything does somethin that it does not and thus make it a felony based on a lie.


it is a terribly slippery slope of bad policy.

allow any agency to by administrative re-write make anything especially unregulated pieces of plastics into a felony for ownership. that by it's self is horrible , but then to allow that to be based completely on a lie as well.

the argument was that a bump stock changed a semi auto firearm into a fully automatic one changing it's rate of fire. It did not the trigger was still pressed each time the gun fired , it was simply a device to push your finger off the trigger.
the gun could be fired no faster than the trigger could be pulled.

as pointed out there are many ways to bump fire a gun the stock is not needed.

but bumping with or without a stock does not make it automatic

then of course is the 90 year old issue that citizens shouldn't be banned from owning full auto guns in the first place as what the military has is what the constitution protects citizens to have but that is a different case.

as soon as you accept the argument that people don't need bump stocks , or that they are a waste of ammo from a government agency you need to be prepared for the argument that driving to church on Sunday is a waste of gas and creates un-necessary pollution. that you can watch church on TV or attend via an online meeting.

or that you are being wasteful and un-necessary to eat more than 2000 calories a day until they tell you that your overweight and only need 1700.
that you don't need more than 8oz of protein in a day and it can come form soy bean meal.

allowing major policy to change with out elected representatives passing legislation is the issue.


America only has one issue, we have a Responsibility crisis and everything else stems from it.
Re: SCOTUS to Hear Arguments on Bump Stock Ban Today [Re: Lugnut] #8089792
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I have never needed one but I don’t need that decision to be made for me either if it’s a single pull of the trigger every time then it is what it is.


Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!

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Re: SCOTUS to Hear Arguments on Bump Stock Ban Today [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #8089812
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Originally Posted by GREENCOUNTYPETE
it was a bad idea in the first place , dangerous precedent that government can say anything does somethin that it does not and thus make it a felony based on a lie.


it is a terribly slippery slope of bad policy.

allow any agency to by administrative re-write make anything especially unregulated pieces of plastics into a felony for ownership. that by it's self is horrible , but then to allow that to be based completely on a lie as well.

the argument was that a bump stock changed a semi auto firearm into a fully automatic one changing it's rate of fire. It did not the trigger was still pressed each time the gun fired , it was simply a device to push your finger off the trigger.
the gun could be fired no faster than the trigger could be pulled.

as pointed out there are many ways to bump fire a gun the stock is not needed.

but bumping with or without a stock does not make it automatic

then of course is the 90 year old issue that citizens shouldn't be banned from owning full auto guns in the first place as what the military has is what the constitution protects citizens to have but that is a different case.

as soon as you accept the argument that people don't need bump stocks , or that they are a waste of ammo from a government agency you need to be prepared for the argument that driving to church on Sunday is a waste of gas and creates un-necessary pollution. that you can watch church on TV or attend via an online meeting.

or that you are being wasteful and un-necessary to eat more than 2000 calories a day until they tell you that your overweight and only need 1700.
that you don't need more than 8oz of protein in a day and it can come form soy bean meal.

allowing major policy to change with out elected representatives passing legislation is the issue.



Well said.

Re: SCOTUS to Hear Arguments on Bump Stock Ban Today [Re: Fishnfool] #8089834
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Originally Posted by Fishnfool
Need to get rid of as they serve no legitimate use and make gun owners look bad.

Fudd alert.


Someone remind me.....who was it that asked the ATF to ban bumpstocks?

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Same guy that wondered what took so long to get to the SC and proved unconstitutional so that alphabet agencies can't make up laws that stick. Take that haters.

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Also, the same guy that stacked a Supreme Court with conservative justices so we will most likely get a favorable ruling on this issue.


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Re: SCOTUS to Hear Arguments on Bump Stock Ban Today [Re: Lugnut] #8089980
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Mitch McConnell? wink


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Which ones did Mitch nominate?

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Originally Posted by BandB
Which ones did Mitch nominate?


Mitch blocked obama from putting a lib on and got all confirmed. Nominating is the easy part. Nobody got Borked.


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