Re: Some toe catches on beaver with #5s
[Re: Mad Scientist]
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03/28/24 07:39 AM
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Paul Dobbins
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I saw a video where Matt Jones says all big coil springs (7.5 and up) need to be laminated and I 100 0/0 agree.These traps are so powerful you get alot of broken bones on the initial snap creating a weak spot on the beaver and yeah they are most all still in the trap when I check them why would you want a trap that breaks the leg bone?Now if your traps are 20 years old a non lam trap is probably the way to go.Me and Matt’s 2 cents. I disagree.
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Re: Some toe catches on beaver with #5s
[Re: jooleyen]
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03/28/24 07:52 AM
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Rounded jaws faces lead to slippage especially with using in water conditions
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Re: Some toe catches on beaver with #5s
[Re: jooleyen]
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03/28/24 07:57 AM
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RdFx we going to go back through all that round jaw vs square jaw stuff again, i thought that was settled in the 80's? lol
Matt's probably talking about trapping coyotes with a CDR, lol. Back foot trapping beaver i don't see that and i quit dragging drowner's around years ago.
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Re: Some toe catches on beaver with #5s
[Re: jooleyen]
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03/28/24 08:07 AM
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All i had was #4 blake and lambs for years, when the 5 popped up i thought that was my trap! Did the PIT pan system on them and all that, to date ive still not caught a single beaver in one, was using drowner's back then, get a big toe nail sometimes for my troubles. Still no idea why that trap didn't fit me. CDR's came along and I never looked backed.
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Re: Some toe catches on beaver with #5s
[Re: MChewk]
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03/28/24 09:53 AM
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roztocki, since the Blake 44s were no longer being made and trappers loved them, Terry Montgomery made the #5 Bridger dlls and trappers loved it. Trappers asked for a better pan and dog system and Ed Medvetz produced the Paws-I-Trip system and trappers loved it. Later, Duke made their version of the #5 dbls and trappers loved it. The top notch coil spring versions came out soon after. Now today we have so many top notch beaver traps...we can pick and choose and trappers love it. lol Those traps are essentially slightly larger copies of the 44 I agree. That’s why I used the word ‘American’ as I personally don’t use foreign made traps and I know there are others like me.
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Re: Some toe catches on beaver with #5s
[Re: Paul Dobbins]
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03/28/24 10:27 AM
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Over the many years that I trapped many thousands of beavers, I don't recall broken bones from the unlaminated #5s as long as the beaver didn't get hung up before drowning. Then the broken bones wasn't from the trap firing, but because of loss of swiveling. That has been my experience as well
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Re: Some toe catches on beaver with #5s
[Re: Jtrapper]
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03/28/24 11:40 AM
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RdFx we going to go back through all that round jaw vs square jaw stuff again, i thought that was settled in the 80's? lol
Matt's probably talking about trapping coyotes with a CDR, lol. Back foot trapping beaver i don't see that and i quit dragging drowner's around years ago. I hate to speak for someone else but I mentioned it earlier too, I meant the actual face of the jaw, where they meet up not the shape of them.. Id say he did too.. Like the face of 750's and CDR's are flat and square.. Then a few beaver traps don't have that nice flat square jaw face but a rounded one.. . Just to add I bought some CDR's of Matt about 15 years ago and they were all laminated come to think of it..
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Re: Some toe catches on beaver with #5s
[Re: jooleyen]
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03/28/24 02:34 PM
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Toe catches are just a part of beaver trapping. If they have a large portion of their back foot on a jaw when it fires you will have toe catches. I use guide sticks to guide the foot into the middle of the trap, it helps tremendously, but strange stuff happens occasionally where a beaver still doesnt do what its supposed to. If youre having a lot of toe catches or escapes it's either your trap placement or the traps themselves. The smaller the trap, the more likely you are to have a beaver spring the trap with a portion of its foot on a jaw. The jaws of Bridger 5's, both long springs and coils, must be somewhat rounded because I could occasionally see slippage marks on the rear feet and had some escapes. Not so with 750's. If I said how many sprung and empty 750's Ive had over the many years most would call me a liar, but use sticks to guide them in and 750's do their part. I've found out you cant set 85's shallow either, not sure why, I have ideas, but I had some sprung traps with them set shallow. If I had to pick a #3 or #4 sized trap it would be the #3 Bridger. They were my go to trap before the 750;s came out. I four coiled them strong and they worked good. I still use them where I might get theft. I see a lot of videos and pictures of guys just setting their traps in front of a castor mound or bait without guiding. Youre just asking for toe catches and sprung traps. Beaver often will go into the wind to the lure, and if its not blowing straight out, the beaver isnt as likely to step into the middle of your trap where you need it to, to get a deep suitcased hold. By guiding I explained it in this: https://trapperman.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/1707388/beaver-footholds-with-pics#Post1707388
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Re: Some toe catches on beaver with #5s
[Re: MChewk]
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03/28/24 05:02 PM
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Agree Paul, The issue with the original marks that were seen in the original post MIGHT HAVE BEEN where the chain wrapped around the ankle as the beaver was trying to get out... just my thoughts Yep^^^ I've seen this many times. Trap didn't slip. Also, NO laminated beaver footholds for me. I need the bite of regular jaws. I can count on one hand the number of broken bones on beaver over the last 40 years.
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Re: Some toe catches on beaver with #5s
[Re: loosanarrow]
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03/28/24 05:12 PM
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The good news is those two beaver took a ride in the back of your truck. I’ve noticed foreign made traps tend to use more of a rounded face strip steel stock on the jaws which land trappers prefer. I do see a market for an American made stamped steel jawed beaver trap such as a copy of a #44 Blake & lamb double long spring with a PIT pan.[/quo[quote=loosanarrow]I use modified 85’s more and more. As I get them modded to my liking, I switch them out with my trusty old CDRs. Im all back foot ADC setups. I keep records, and I am seeing less issues of all kinds with them. For back feet bigger is better.
I have every big beaver coil on the market, some I have used more than others, but for my situation the modified 85’s are beating everything else I have used enough to have a decent comparison.
I add a set of #2 springs to 4 coil them, and rig up a CDR size pit pan.
For me, a pan that flips up like a PIT pan is so important that not having it is a deal breaker. Safe to handle, and step that trap right into the bed without even getting my hands wet or risking being caught fumbling around bedding the trap with my hands.
Yes, being able to lift the loose jaw to set the CDR PIT pan is much safer than having your hand inside the jaws.
Must be nice to eat ice cream as fast as you want and not have to worry about brain freeze.
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Re: Some toe catches on beaver with #5s
[Re: jooleyen]
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03/28/24 06:27 PM
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I think the 750s have a tendency to lose swivelling when the bars that hold down the jaws get tangled in the drowning wire or cable. When I started using drowning rods that problem stopped.
Steve WTA NRA
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Re: Some toe catches on beaver with #5s
[Re: jooleyen]
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03/28/24 07:33 PM
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The hind foot sliding was the reason beaver traps of yesteryear had teeth.It kept the foot from sliding
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Re: Some toe catches on beaver with #5s
[Re: jooleyen]
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03/28/24 08:14 PM
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Trapset the 330s when I am alone scare me. To old to be playing with fire I guess. Have never been caught in one and would like to keep it that way. I do have one out and that is my only trap out today in a guaranteed catch set------hA HA. We will see I dont want an 8 or even 6 beaver day anymore....thanks......jk
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