Stock Market "Reset"?
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04/20/24 01:23 AM
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What say you financial wizards? I saw this article today and thought I'd share. To me, the gains the markets have seen in the past year have seemed insane and I figured there'd be a "reset" before now. But I know nothing, lol. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Stocks have been in the midst of a long bull market, but there are signs that it's finally going to run out of steam and will inevitably be followed by a bear market and a difficult "reset," according to Chris Vermeulen,CIO of Technical Traders.
In an interview with Bloomberg, the investment chief pointed to the recent run-up in defensive assets, like precious metals, energy stocks, and industrial stocks. Those areas all typically do well in the late stage of a bull market, which is inevitably followed by a bear market or a "financial reset," Vermeulen said.
Investors are likely heading into another bear market, similar to the ones that followed the dot-com bubble and the 2008 financial crisis, he predicted. That could end up sparking painful stock losses for investors, with people seeing their wealth decline as much as 30%-50% over the next year, he warned.
"I think we're coming into a major market top, more or less a financial reset," Vermeulen said Tuesday. "It's short-term, temporarily painful. But we need markets to reset. We need regular pullbacks and corrections in order for the market to keep going up."
That reset could also come with a recession, Vermeulen said, with industrial stocks in particular signaling a slowdown for the economy. While the sector has done well in recent months, buyers of industrial goods typically upgrade their equipment at the end of an economic growth cycle, due to "huge delays" between slowing business and orders for new machinery.
"They don't realize we're coming to the end of a growth cycle, and the music is about to stop," Vermeulen said of US firms. "Industrial stocks have just continued to muscle their way higher. They're hitting all-time highs, and that is a sign that we're going to see these companies eventually start to slow down."
Investors remain concerned over a potential recession, especially as inflation has remained stubbornly elevated and the Fed looks poised to keep interest rates higher for longer. The economy has a 58% chance of tipping into recession by March of next year, per the latest estimate from the New York Fed.
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Re: Stock Market "Reset"?
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#8125306
04/20/24 01:33 AM
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There is uncertainty about who will win in November plus if for the first time in history a potus may be incarcerated. Plus-Wall Street and reality have not jive for many years.
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Re: Stock Market "Reset"?
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04/20/24 07:37 AM
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Here is my 2¢. For consumers and businesses, higher interest rates force prudence in borrowing decisions, increase the cost of capital, and encourage saving. For governments, rates will necessitate a reexamination of fiscal outlooks in the near term. The new reality of rising deficits and higher interest rates will elevate concerns about fiscal sustainability. And, barring a drastic productivity rebound, the chances of avoiding a recession remain low.
Higher interest rates are a welcome development, despite the expected increased volatility while the market adjusts to this new normal. For a well-diversified, long-term investor, higher rates create a solid foundation for risk-adjusted returns going forward.
I believe if we do have a recession, it will be short lived because the Fed's will do everything possible for a long term melt down (something that wasn't done in the 20's & 30's). I do believe also inflation will stay high and unemployment will be above normal with robotic advancement in the world moving forward. I will say inflation & growth in private stock accounts will be equal to one another, so a slow boring year in stock market growth.
Election year is going to be a sideways movement year in the financial world. The unsettled worries and wars started in global countries will play a huge part in a stable financial economy.
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Re: Stock Market "Reset"?
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04/20/24 09:11 AM
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Resets are good,,,,,we’re due
Went from talk of multiple rate cuts this year,,,1-2 rate cutes,,,,no rate cuts,,,,, now the possibility of rate increases
Lots of different issues all coming together. More crazy spending(Ukrain/Israel spending package)seizing Russian assets, flight to the usd, election, geopolitical, election,,etc
Yotetrapper,,,,,,, you can make money when the market is falling. A lot of money
Question:
If the governments can just print money? Why do we pay taxes??
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Re: Stock Market "Reset"?
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04/20/24 10:54 AM
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"Investors are likely heading into another bear market, similar to the ones that followed the dot-com bubble and the 2008 financial crisis, he predicted."
This is not the old days pre-2000. The Federal Government and the Federal Reserve will come to rescue with a lot of printing and borrowing. Too many voters' 401k's will be affected. Most investors are probably aware of this. Not so much risk as reward these days.
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Re: Stock Market "Reset"?
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04/20/24 11:02 AM
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In 2009 the dow was 7600 and now almost 40,000. The usa as a whole must be in great shape....
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Re: Stock Market "Reset"?
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04/20/24 11:58 AM
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yotetrapper30
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Not sure who wrote the OP’s article???
A lot of people write articles,,,,,
One guy you often see quoted is Robert Kiyosaki
He’s a total loser,,,predicted 17 of the last 2 bear markets. Lol
Doom/gloom sells It was written by a Jennifer Sor. https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/mar...ars-to-recover-from-cio-says/ar-BB1lNAyc
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Re: Stock Market "Reset"?
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04/20/24 05:44 PM
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Did not read all of the replies, they tended to primarily the same any way !
If you are in the stock market for real, not just a couple hundred dollars, these ups and downs are part of the process of being there to garner the use of it.
True marketizer, lol, won't be spooked by these movements they just acquaint where to move funds to an offset, and usually won't move much any way.
You don't make capital in the market with jumping around every time there seems to be a volatile situation ! It takes years to really see improvement in a portfolio, people say "no it doesn't just see all the millionaires in", well after you have large money it grows quite quickly, getting the large amounts is the growing process that hurts one's patience !!
Certain marks of caution are a standard any more, most presidential elections, un-stable war fare as is happening now with Ukraine and the middle east are always moving the market. There is the EV market and push as well !
![[Linked Image]](http://banners.wunderground.com/weathersticker/miniDial_both/language/www/US/UT/Magna.gif) Sorry if my opinions or replies offend you, they are not meant to !
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Re: Stock Market "Reset"?
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04/20/24 05:49 PM
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Rates finally back to historical normal levels. We lived too long on free $ and zero rates before this stretch.
Money cannot buy you happiness, but it can buy you a trapping license and that's pretty close.
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