Looking for a coyote 62 gr or heavier for 22-250 velocities for hand loads.

Why 62 gr. Or heavier? The 1365 Sierra 55 gr. Iz fur friendly or the Sierra match hollow points both put quarter size exits if you hit right.

The rifle has a 1/9 twist. If the lighter bullets will shoot well with this fast twist rate , It will be welcomed! Im a big Sierra fan too! Great news

Would a FMJ be a good option?

Ive shoot Nosler 50 gr ballistic tips in an 8 twist and they shoot real well.



Why fur friendly? Given the market.

Because most heavy .22 cal bullets are not, and terminal performance is iffy anyway since most are heavier jacketed match type construction.

I’ve shot a pile with the 77 grain Nosler CCs. I bet half of them go 50 yards before piling up. Some significantly further. Not ideal.

That being said, IF I was to be looking for a heavy .22 bullet with good terminal characteristics for coyotes, I’d be looking very very hard at the 73 and 75 grain Hornady ELD-Ms. If they’re anything like the 6mm versions, they’ll have phenomenal terminal performance.

Information is for my brother who is now a resident of Wyoming. Wants to shoot,trap and put up fur! I’ll give him a heads up on all the recommendations! Thanks!

I've been shooting Sierra 55s for years. They anchor coyotes from any angle and have proven to be a great accurate fur saving bullet.

50s, 52s, 53s and 55s should all shoot well with a 1:9 twist. He may even be able to get the Winchester 45gn HP white box ammo to perform.

it will shoot the lightweights fine, over stabilization is a myth. My 8 twist 223 will shoot 55's as well as the heavies

Personally I’d go with a 40 grain hollow point and load down to around 3000 fps.

I use 62g ballistic tips and benchmark for clean skinning....

I did well with 55 gr nozler, I think 50 gr would work as good or better

22-250 fur friendly? Don't go in the same sentence. UNLESS you shoot cast bullets. MIGHT I say MIGHT only have to sew half of them. Lot of mentioned bullets will shoot well ,but not blowing a hole under 150 yards good luck.

I’ve found in calling dogs that the bullet weight does not matter as much as if it is a solid type

When using any thing else at whatever weight, without regard to bullet placement
You should know how to sew !!

One other thing I keep reading from this forum is that dogs are not worth anything so it
does not matter, while it is true they are not producing high returns to most they are
always worth something to me as a producer of products using them.

But what is worse is that this statement can be used by others as an example by some
Nefarious people against people who do use the fur, but place a lesser value on the animal
because of their choice of words in wanting to hunt them ! We should always be prepared for
our words to show that taking game is in a positive way, even if one feels the value does not
meet their particular desire !!

Fur friendly is influenced by speed as well. The Jbird and cat bird necked down 6 mm and 243 to 22 shooting the same fur friendly solid bullet at 4,300 fps is rarely fur friendly. I always loaded my 22-250 at the slowest fps that gave best accuracy and that is more fur friendly. Same reason a 222 is more fur friendly and 22 hornet even more so. Now a 35 gr. Vmax out of a 22 hornet while knocking a 100 lbs wolf stone dead will kill a coyote with zero damage but good luck past 200 yards. Never use a full metal case on a coyote as you will be lucky to find it I shot many red fox with 80 gr fmj out of my 243 with no fur damage as long as no bone hit but had to finish almost all of them off with 22 pistol which luckily I was a fantastic shot with.

Shot a lot of coyotes Byrd?
I've shot a few hundred ( yeah, I know) with my 250s and if what I shoot blew them up, I wouldn't be using them.

Stick to what your good at. Mowing your yard.

I've shot plenty as well, and there is a wide difference amongst dog hunters about what is damage and is not , LOL, mostly from those who don't sew regularly or not at all, sometimes looks will decide for many that it's not worth bringing home
but thats sometimes not the case at all, one should really look them over, after a few blow throughs you don't need to look very closely any longer LOL

Solids, medium distance, 100 to 300 yd's or more and bullet placement all work to keep the sewing down, really depends on the shooter being able to hit on placement which is more difficult at longer ranges !

However when taking them for culling I understand that all is out the window when the time is right !

GritGuy. I know MANY serious coyote hunters and there ain't ONE single one that shoot solids!!
Anyone that is serious about killing and putting up fur ( coyotes) would gladly put a few stitches in an exit hole and drop them in the spot then have to have to chase them 1/2 mile and have to put another round in them.

Hmm, perhaps we should all go with Byrds advice. Yanno, use cast bullets.

Question is, flat nose, semi_spitzer, boattail, lol.
Great

When I think of cast bullets , I imagine some buffalo hunters sitting around the campfire preparing for the next days hunt . Put up a few coyotes that were shot and from what I've seen bullet choice and where shot and if running or standing makes a big difference in damage regardless of caliber . Been some good advice from some good yote killer's on here . But cast bullets wouldn't be my first choice

Hey Wolfie. Can / will you put this great post/ info in the Archives??

So much valuable info that should be shared for years to come.

Byrd, would you kindly post a link on where you get your molds from to make the cast bullets?
Thanks.

Sorry BB
Solids to mean Spitzer or boat tail's, 55, 56 grain or a bit heavier,, should have known better with picky shooters LOL

Now I actually use only Boat tails because I have a grundle of them and load my own, but either will work fine

As long as you send into the boiler, but thats not always possible I know and I have watched my share run off a ways then fall over, but where I hunt I use my wheeler to get around and always have binoc's with me if they run off, I've not failed to ride to pick one up yet after going to Boat tails with my 22-250 Ruger

I am now building a 204 on a AK frame as this caliber for me is the best I have shot dogs with yet, it will be topped with the new Pulsar Thermal day and night model just released earlier this year, after using just night vision for so many years, I am quite happy to have it, and will also be adding a Banish suppressor, I purchased at the last hunting show here. Be here in November hopefully ! I will loading for it with the Berger's at 60 grains if I remember correctly also solids, er boat tails LOL

My favorite coyote gun is 17 Remington with 25 gr Berger match which luckily I have. As with any bullet proper placement is what anchors them but marginal shots usually pile up within 30. I know guys who do very well with 65 gr vmax and even 50’s butz it’s all shot placement. The Sierra 52 and 53 match holow points behind the shoulder are quarter size exits as is the 1360 and 1365 Sierras. I prefer the 1360. Anyone saying solids arnt fur friendly either hasn’t shot many coyotes or is a bad shot.

No, when we lost our fox and coyote took over I was still using fmjbt Sierra
Some died instantly, some ran for miles hit through the lungs

Mouth I’ve spent more hours reloading / testing shooting before I was 25 than you have your entire life. Started when I was 13 in my dads workshop. Every spare minute I had I was researching molding tinkering with loads. Gave up on my 22-250 for fur. That’s when I bought my 222 Remington. Yes back in the late 70’s didn’t have very few of these “modern “ types of bullets. Elderly gentleman down the road cast all my bullets I tested. As mentioned earlier “fur friendly “ to some might be junk to others. But I’ll tell you what I settled on for my 222. 50 grain hornady SX. Head neck or ribs yotes won’t get out of site. Plus in bobcat or little gray fox shows up you don’t destroy the pelt.

Hey bucks google Waldo ( Wally) Tarter see what you can find. Any serious bench rest or precision shooters on here will know his name. That’s who helped me. If you can read you might realize I do have a clue about reloading/ shooting

He built a rifle in 22 ppc that we used to shoot aspirin tablets at 175 yards.

Since you can’t type I’ll just give you one that is easier to find

Well, that answers that.

Guess I need to get a mold and start casting bullets.
Anyone wanna buy a couple 1000 Sierra 55s?

223

Uncle ice cream; how many coyotes would you say you’ve called in and fur friendly harvested? Is the coyote count higher than the aspirin count? This is some good stuff, and I definitely want to dive deeper into this topic!

Like I said earlier. In this part of the country "saving the fur" isn't the reason to call and kill coyotes. Stinking things aren't worth anything . Too many have mites and rub spots on their fur. Don't call as much anymore but I'd say couple hundred more or less. Killed 31 one year but that included 5 while deer hunting. Shot them with a variety of calibers that year. Killed 2 with 50 cal muzzle loader. Funny how they fell in their tracks even tho they only had a 50 cal hole on both sides. couple with a 22 mag. But most with 6 mm. Wasn't worried about the fur. I'll try to find you some pics. Didn't have I phone back then. My old bag phone didn't take pics.......

Hmm, I don't see where you said that



How many have you shot with bullets that you cast?

I can tell you what not to use…165gr Tipped CoreLokts out of a .308. Not fur friendly at all. But, no matter where they’re hit, it anchors them. And if a coon or possum is the only target of opportunity, don’t even bother to get a pic. Let it lay where it falls, buzzards will have it cleaned up before noon the next day.

So you were just throwing 2 cents in that had nothing to do with the question the OP posed. He says Fur friendly bullet in the title. If you load any bullet down slow enough speed it would be fur friendly, but you would have way more runners than you want. I have call a number of coyotes and never thought about a cast bullet. I like speed and a bullet that comes apart and stays inside them. The fold up and never move.

Funny how if topic is deer it’s ALL ABOUT bullet placement.Seldom type of bullet. But if a coyote runs off Anything less than a top notch bullet it’s bullets fault

Spin it Byrd!!

Deer are weak compared to coyotes. You can kill deer with about anything. You would know that if you shot many of them. It takes way more to plant a coyote consistent. I started using my coyote loads to hunt deer and it drops them like a rock. They don't kick, flop or run. They are dead before they hit the ground. Bullet placement is a given with anything.

Wondering. WolfDog has had many posts about cast bullets yet I don't believe I've seen you post your wisdom on any of them? Being you like to post your knowledge quite often, just wondering why?

What velocities are you pushing your cast bullets out of your 22_250?

And dang it man, get new glasses. (Edits)

Winchester used to sell a 45 gr hp in a white box and call it a varminter. It said no faster than 1 in 9. I didn't shoot them in 250 but in 223. But they were offered in 250 also. The bullet became metal shards like you just had shavings. No exit on a coon shot long ways at 50 yards. I think light bullets that come apart may not exist and have less fur damage. That or very heavy bullets and slow them down.

I never worried about fur just wanted them dead so mostly shot them with a 7/08 260 or 243. But half dollar holes or larger. But they died in place on the spot ve spinning and flipping.

Cicadas musta come out in KY.
They are drowning out the noise of the crickets.

Fur friendly?

Forget it. DRT is where it's at.

Not so 49er. Not many years ago, our (local) coyotes were bringing decent $$. Highline westerns were bringing very good $$!

While calling, I mostly used a .17_.204 but my 250 was/ is my truck gun.
Have used Sierras excellent 55s for years. Tried piles of other brands and there is a reason I stuck with them.

However, I feel a bit empty. I've heard from an expert that ONLY cast bullets are suitable for saving fur in a 250.
Sure wish I would have learned this gem of info years ago.



Be interesting to hear his perspective on how those cast bullets performed out of his 250 on fur.

He only deals in FACTS yanno. Many of us are willing to learn.

Calling is one thing, truck gun is another.

I dont shoot a 250 only because I've always had a .243. I like the 60 grain sierra's in it.

I started with a 223 for a night gun, moved to a 20 prac and probably going to a 6mm ARC

I've seen a few that amazed me, hit hard but didn't drop right away

Honestly our of a bold gun with the right power getting .22-250 to shoot well enough with cast wouldn't me much of a problem at all really.. and depending on the allow you could tailor them to do whatever linotype would let you push them up to 2500 pretty easy , higher if you knew what you where doing. Right alloy and and speed you can get them to perform more like explosive varmit or more of a FMJ effect....
This was a 63gr I use in my .223 cals I dig out the wet clay berm @100yd... Think this was out of my hornet






....anyway I'm going back to spectating... Who post makes me happy I don't kill any

If you want to hear some experts talk on it head over to PredatorMasters. Tons of info on 22/250 reloading and fur friendly loads. That seems to be the popular caliber amongst coyote killers.

Yes I'm sure there is a load/bullet that most times wont blow a hole in a yote. BUT even then I'm sure there is times they do. 22-250 is appealing where you need 200-300 yard shots. PLUS the fur is good on the animal (out west of Ky)
I got a question for the loud mouth and some others. HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE EVEN SHOT a cast bullet into a coyote ???? Heck even better how many have shot a cast bullet PERIOD !! Wolfie has for sure. His testing showed pretty good retention ALL my testing and shooting varmits with a cast bullet was before cell phones and forums like this. Yes my sample size of cast on coyotes and foxes is a small one. Easier to just buy a 222 and reloading dies. BUT NOT A SINGLE ONE had a hole in it you could stick a golf ball in. Only one I can remember ever sewing on was my uncle shot a redfox just in front of its right ear . It turned it's head as he shot and messed it's head up.

Never shot a cast bullets in my life. No need.

You dove into this topic/ thread with a few CAPITOL words like you usually do to prove how smart you are.

So, how many coyotes have You killed with a 22_250 using cast bullets since you chimed in on this topic?

You sure deflect alot Uncle Cream Puff.

Most consistent fur friendly combination man has ever developed. Even with light framed bobcats , little to no sewing required . It's just amazing. I dearly miss mine.

There you showed your knowledge of input. ZERO . Like most of the times you mouth off when I post something.
Won't you stick to something you know.
Molesting pumpkins
Living alone in the woods because no one can stand you
Lying about how many TROPHY white tails your pushing What's it up too now ? 5 or 600 I'm sure !!

I would bet you can go on a lot of coyote hunting sites and you won't see much about using cast bullets. You can not get the muzzle velocity you need to make them effective. You have to get up around 3400 fps and up to have a good fur friendly coyote bullet. The slower it goes the more runners you will have.

If cast, solid, or FMJ style bullets were the best, we’d all be shooting them.

But it’s not 1973 anymore.

Bullet technology and options have changed dramatically.




And with the current market, why pigeon hole yourself with fur friendliness? They aren’t worth the time to put up. Keep throwing low value fur into the pipeline and they’re gonna keep paying you little to nothing!

I'm just saying pictures and actual data points would make this whole conversation alot better instead of a bunch of chest pounding,back handed comments and talking about what you have done did or do in vague terms.... At least I can go on on boones FB page and see all the stuff he's done ....

That's valid. If a well furred coyote could pay for a tank of gas , it would make for a different discussion. There's been more than a few scenarios where I spooked off the coyotes hoping for bobcats .

I can't share my cast experience.
No picture page or blog or 20 yr old here to do that.
Was thinking of getting into 30 cal cast
but dang sure not asking here.
And like already said,
why with a life supply of jacketed in stock.

When I was young, picture sharing
with strangers was called bragging.
Times change I guess.
Just sayin.

Have you idk see alot of bragging and chest beating already without any pictures or specifics.

There posing pics to brag and there posing them as data and better illustrate something. Why most tof my posts are picture heavy..not because I'm bragging but a lot more information can be shown and decisions made based on a actual picture vs just be writing something. And it's pretty interesting how stuff happens when you actually show a picture that detailed. One thing to say you gun shoots sub MOA but then when you show your sub MOA group stuff becomes a lot more clear. Such as


Like yeah it's sub MOA but someone with experienced eyes can look at that and really understand what's goin on

Side note , if your looking into cast .30cal gotta say the NOE 30XCB tis a heck of a nice bullet to use

Hey Cream Puff, I'm waiting for you to refresh our memories where you said that? I can't find that reference?
Maybe you can?

This thread wasn't about cast bullets and certainty didn't need you chiming in about how you KNOW ( I Am Lion, Hear Me Roar) about shooting cast bullets out of a 250.
HOW MANY coyotes have you killed with that combo? You chimed in as being a know_ it_ all, (usually do), so how many. Simple question. Have you shot a coyote with a cast bullet out of a 250?

Don't be so angry man. A fella in your condition can stroke out over that.