Question, was talking to a guy at the last convention, big trad bow hunter, got to talking about Theory of why he builds and shoots what he does. Anyway he mentioned I'd should looking a guy , apparently big on heavy arrows. Was Dr. Something if I remember right. Anyone happen to know who it could be ?
Thanks

Dr Ed Ashby. Studies were done on African game.

Heavy arrows work ok, but I'm more of a believer on midweight for best overall performance. Of course, cut on contact broad heads of your choice.

Ashby archery.

If you plan hunting white tail deer, the heavy arrow studies are a bit over the top. Just put a sharp broadhead on your arrow, sharp being the important part.

There is a lot of heavy arrow talk in the compound bow space. I tend to think this way. Take a 100 mph 4x4 post, or a 200 mph pool cue to the chest, either way you have problem. The pool cue just has flatter trajectory.

That's it ! Thank you !
Yeah I'm still trying to learn all this stuff . Got a feeling a lot of this may not apply to me due to my draw weight and length. Shoot 65# with my compound and feel really comfortable but my recurve is 55# and I feel decently over bowed so probably gonna jump doing to some 45# limbs. So not sure a massively heavy arrow with do too good on that

That being said the guy I talked to said he went though a stage where he was shooting 80 lbs with really heavy arrows said they would punch though about anything he wanted and if was within 20yd it was dead. But he moved away from it. Think he's more of a mid weight guy now.

Anyhow just wanted to look into this guy and seems this going to be pretty interesting. Listening to a little seminar of his right now and so far
*Building and tuning a arrow is the same as building and tuning a load for a rifle * yeaahhh.... Really got my attention more
Should be a cool bit of listening

Well I'm getting into arrow building slowly to go along with my reloading so just doing the deal to listen to a few different sides to kinda see what would make sense. Probably will do what I usually do. Build a few of these see what they do, build some of these see what happens , end up with some mixture what works well for me. probably just gonna be shooting hogs....when they actually return, Haven seen any in the last year or so on my properties and I think there might be a lil something to Ashby's way of thinking for them vs white tail.....not sure yet though

Funny dead is you reminded me of something. Was with my dog hunting buddy one day and we went over to some.guys he knew. Archery season has just started. Go to talking and they mentioned one of there guys couldn't find the deer they shot. Said him and his dang "elephant arrow". Asked shine wahy they mean and apparently the guy built and used super heavy weight arrows out of his compound. Think they said like 700gr ? Been a few years can't quite remember . Said that out of his 80# bow would let him take most shots he'd get and it would usually punch through whatever lil white tail was under him..... Not that I'm looking to do that hair find it interesting

Everyone is trying sell you something.


You'll feel like they're feeding you info with a fire hose.


It can all be too much.


The end goal is a simple repeatable form, with sound fundamentals.

Nothing wrong with playing with arrows and such and figure out what works for you...

There is a lot of evidence that disputes Ashby's findings. Very controversial.

Dave Holt shoots 150+ animals a year in Africa and he thinks Ashby is a complete idiot. (His words)

Ashby is a legend. Always loved his articles in Traditional Bowhunter. Shoot shoot and then practice again. Keeps your arm etc in shape nothing wrong with a well sharpened Broadhead of your choice nothing against compound bows or crossbows but with longbows you really have to practice all year. It’s fun. I owned and shot them all

Almost 70 pages on the heavy arrow/high FOC arrows.

https://saddlehunter.com/community/index.php?threads/who-has-snorted-the-fairy-dust.36065/

BernieB, Didn't I read that Dave Holt was found guilty of Fraud, lying, perjury, and was found to be guilty of charges defrauding his own Brothers in Blue, in April 2008?

Criminal charges against someone, defrauding his own Police Brothers is not someone I'd personally support nor find to be Trustworthy.

I have absolutely zero faith in a proven criminal.

Wolfdog,

I personally use the set up below for my longbow. I hunt Black Bear and Deer.

Arrows are a Hot Knife through Butter..... All pass through.

Easton Axis Traditional 400
Arrow Length 27"
Point weight: 225 grains
Insert weight: 175 grains
Total weigh up front: 400 grains
Nock weight w/wraps: 15 grains
Leon Stewart 45# R&D 62" & 66" longbows @ 28"
Actual draw length 27"
Arrow Total Weight (grains) Actual weight; Low 700-720 grains
Arrow Specific Weight (GPP) 16.3
Front of Center (FOC) % 27.5
Arrow Speed (ft/sec) 142.6
Arrow Energy (ft-lbs). 31.3

You beat me to it. BUT...you are 100% correct on ol' Davey Holt. Using him as an example for anyting other than a bad example is all he is good for.

I thought the arguement was always fixed vs mechanical, lol?

I guess the Apple does fall from the tree. In the early 60s as a kid wanting to get a new bow. Outdoors was my plan. Went to Hoyt archery in St. Louis area and they blew me off. In their shop and would not even talk to a kid so I said FTA. Big short and tall. Don’t know who was running the business but they had a sale. They hurt a little kids feeling. Never owned one never will. Just shot other brands over the years.

I agree with most of the comments here. I think one thing that gets overlooked when compounders enter the trad world is ultimately is a game of getting close. You can build a fancy arrow and launch it across the field accurately with a wheely bow but traditional archery is close hunting affair. Realistically you want a midweight arrow that recovers quickly, because if your shooting a bedded mule deer at 11 paces or a moose at 9ft it doesnt really mater “that” much what your FOC and GPP and etc etc is. You just need to put it in the spot. I shoot a self made arrow from MT doug fir. 155 gr glue on grizzly single bevel. 590 gr arrow. Killed lots of things.

If hogs and deer are your main quarry youll be fine with the majority of arrow set ups. Pick a spot!

Shot a broadhead target with a self bow I made from hedge. Knapped obsidian arrowhead. About 20 yards. Son in law shot same target same distance with a compound and broad head. He was using carbon arrows and I used a birch dowel rod with turkey feathers, Everything tied on with wet sinew then allowed to dry. His arrow penetrated about 3 inchs more. Both could have been lethal. Thats the bottom line isn't it? Will it fill your freezer?

Foc x gpi ~ ke = w t h

See......


Like trying to drink from a fire hose.

I do better with this then just being told a ABC formula with a lot of stuff for the most part .