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Re: 22ARC [Re: Wanna Be] #8134806
05/06/24 08:55 PM
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Didn’t on mine that came threaded. Scope was sighted in, got suppressor and screwed it on and went to the range. Even my son had to shoot it because he swore I was compensating, lol.
Talked to a couple of gunsmiths about it because everyone else that had their barrels threaded had to resight everything and wasn’t getting their previous groups.
Both guys I talked with said it had to do with barrel harmonics.

So why do you think they all had to resight and I didn’t? And don’t forget I have a “budget” rifle and they didn’t.

Last edited by Wanna Be; 05/06/24 08:56 PM.
Re: 22ARC [Re: Wanna Be] #8134809
05/06/24 09:01 PM
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Re: 22ARC [Re: Wanna Be] #8134823
05/06/24 09:14 PM
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Wanna be your not making yourself look any smarter

Re: 22ARC [Re: Wanna Be] #8134833
05/06/24 09:27 PM
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Man I never claimed to be smart. Didn’t realize we had so many experts on here. I’m just telling you what was told to me. I’m asking for an explanation since you’re an apparent expert and all you want to do is imply I’m stupid instead of offering an explanation. So again, why the barrels that weren’t threaded, then threaded and a suppressor added are off? Please explain so people that honestly don’t know can know.
Not sure where you thought I was trying to be smart, just did some asking. So far I got “lucky”

Re: 22ARC [Re: Yes sir] #8134843
05/06/24 09:34 PM
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22arc is the 22 nosler of a few years back, with different companies marketing it. I have 2 22 noslers, and like them both. Factory ammo is still available, in a wide range of bullet choices. Neither the 22 arc or 22 nosler are a 22-250, but if an ar is what you want—they are a step above 223. If performance above a 22-250 is wanted, look at the 22 creedmoor. Lots of good custom gunsmiths out there. All my rifles are threaded, and only run with a suppressor. Accuracy is very good.

Re: 22ARC [Re: Wanna Be] #8134861
05/06/24 09:58 PM
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Anything you do to a barrel, chamber, or ammo changes harmonics. Probably even a few other things too. A gunsmith that knows what they are doing isn't doing anything the barrel maker doesn't when they thread a barrel. Barrels don't come out of the factory machined or designed or built with a "special" tune that might be upset if threaded later. The harmonics involved in shooting is a huge topic that no one understands completely and what is known could make a book or two. But the general idea that a barrel has a special tune designed or built in that will be changed negatively simply by threading the barrel is not factual. Will it change, probably, it might be more accurate with same load, might be less accurate, might change point of impact might not. Everything changes harmonics. Sometimes it's noticeable sometimes not. The fact ur muzzle device didn't change point of impact is just luck as previously posted.

Re: 22ARC [Re: Wanna Be] #8134878
05/06/24 10:32 PM
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Yes you I'll get a harmonics change , heck about anything you do will give you one especially if your messing with the barrel. That's how tuners work. That beings said when I said not quite I'm saying your didn't lose all accuracy period. You just changed the node tune ect of the rifle .. and that usually requires a change in load or even some torque settings on your bolts. But it's not a complete waste of time hence why I said not really. Sometimes it's just a POI change which if the guns grouping well still who cares just rezero.


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Re: 22ARC [Re: GCrock] #8134881
05/06/24 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by GCrock
22arc is the 22 nosler of a few years back, with different companies marketing it. I have 2 22 noslers, and like them both. Factory ammo is still available, in a wide range of bullet choices. Neither the 22 arc or 22 nosler are a 22-250, but if an ar is what you want—they are a step above 223. If performance above a 22-250 is wanted, look at the 22 creedmoor. Lots of good custom gunsmiths out there. All my rifles are threaded, and only run with a suppressor. Accuracy is very good.

No. .22 noslers big problem for many is it's rebated rim. .22 ARC is basically just a necked down 6.5 Grendel. And people have been doing that since it came out for the most part ...then it was known as the .22 coyote for the most part ....or the .22 predator. Also Grendel sammi spec'ed in 2011 and the nosler in 2017.... If my stuff is right.. so the whole necking down Grendel to .22 or 6mm has predated the nosler proven to work just no one sammi spec'ed it


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Re: 22ARC [Re: Wanna Be] #8134889
05/06/24 10:49 PM
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So barrel thickness has nothing to do with it? Again, a legit question…not being stupid.
Just seems a thinner barrel with shaved off pieces and weight added, would have some sort of effect vs a thicker barrel. Again…not an expert, just trying to learn.

Re: 22ARC [Re: Wanna Be] #8134891
05/06/24 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Wanna Be
So barrel thickness has nothing to do with it? Again, a legit question…not being stupid.
Just seems a thinner barrel with shaved off pieces and weight added, would have some sort of effect vs a thicker barrel. Again…not an expert, just trying to learn.
Definitely can and will just depends on the amount of shots and what not. Also how short it is.
Longer the barrel the more thick or ridge it needs to be.
Shorter the barrel the less thick it needs to be be .

Also is your shooting alot in a short amount of time with a thin profile barrel your definitely gonna get a POI change quicker as that barrel heats up.... Now that all has to do with some stuff in the barrel material and the like though.

It's a big long rabbit hole and if you want the really updated info ( because stuff changes ,findings are made) go check out Eric Cortina's believe the target podcast on YouTube. And the Hornady podcasts . They have actual scientific experts and stuff on this stuff on there folks like Brian litz and the like


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Re: 22ARC [Re: Wanna Be] #8134895
05/06/24 10:59 PM
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A quality barrel is a quality barrel.

If it’s a cheap pile of garbage with all kinds of stress in it, doesn’t matter how fat it is.



My favorite barrel contour is fast becoming a #5, “bull sporter or heavy sporter” depending on manufacturer, which is considered “skinny” in many circles.

And yes, I shoot everything suppressed.


“Barrel whip” may be less noticeable with heavier walled barrels, which may make them more forgiving for finding accuracy nodes.

But all else equal, skinny barrels can be every bit as accurate as heavy ones.

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Re: 22ARC [Re: Wanna Be] #8134902
05/06/24 11:09 PM
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My experience with zeroing without a suppressor and with a suppressor has been with only one rifle...a Ruger Gen1 American in 6.5 CM with factory Hornady ammo. 1" groups at 100yds. Smacked a 6 inch steel plate at 200yds...holding at top of plate.

Screwed the suppressor on...1" groups at 100 yds. Rang the plate at 200 yds holding at top of plate.

I didn't make any changes.


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Re: 22ARC [Re: Wanna Be] #8134915
05/06/24 11:33 PM
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Wanna be, a thin barrel with a supressor added to it IS more likely to shift it's point of impact versus a thicker barrel with one. But, it is not necessarily a given fact. Strange things happen in the world of harmonics and pressure points. Anything that changes the harmonics, or tuning, of a barrel can cause a change in point of impact. Pressure from a warped stock due to humidity, pulling on a sling, resting on a bipod, etc. Hundreds of things could affect it. How a barrel is made has a bearing on it too. Was it hammer forged, drilled, method of rifling, stress relieving, etc. This subject is a very deep rabbit hole. And I'm not sure anyone completely understands it. Absolutely no harm in asking honest questions either. Bipods are one thing that screw up a lot of people. Sight in the gun with one and then never check zero without it. Many times it won't shoot to the same place. Or sight in using a rest under the forearm and take a shot with the barrel resting on a tree limb 4 inches in front of the forearm. Can't understand why they missed. It doesn't always happen, but usually it does. For some reason I don't understand, some individual rifles seem to be more immune to it. Just remember that range magnifies the shift. The slight 1/4 inch shift at 100yds that you may not have noticed becomes apparent at 400yds. But at the ranges you appear to be shooting at it won't matter at all.

Edited to add that with the technology today, machining tolerances, fitment of parts, etc --- many so called cheap, budget, whatever rifles can be as good as custom rifles were not so many years ago. And at a far lower price.

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Re: 22ARC [Re: Wanna Be] #8134969
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200 bucks for a permission slip to buy a muffler? nah. quiet is easier on the ears but i am not doing it


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