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Re: Christians - Gap Theory?
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2 1/2 cups all-purpose flour
1 1/3 cups granulated sugar
3/4 cup unsalted butter, softened
4 large eggs
1 cup milk
1 teaspoon baking powder
1/2 teaspoon baking soda
1/4 teaspoon salt
1 teaspoon vanilla extract
For the chocolate buttercream:
4 cups powdered sugar
1 1/2 cups unsalted butter, softened
2/3 cups unsweetened cocoa powder
3-6 tablespoons half-and-half
1 teaspoon vanilla extract
1/4 teaspoon salt
How much faith does it take to believe the above will make a cake after you have tasted the cake?
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Re: Christians - Gap Theory?
[Re: Yes sir]
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Waggler
Does a God that has the power to have created everything as you stated have the ability to make his creation look older than it is to mankind?
Second question is the linage in the Bible from Adam to Jesus complete and truthful in your opinion?
I'd like as clear as a yes or no answer as possible in your opinion but welcome more clarification on your stance if u feel called. Why would God do that? Sounds like deception.
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Re: Christians - Gap Theory?
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Waggler
Does a God that has the power to have created everything as you stated have the ability to make his creation look older than it is to mankind?
Second question is the linage in the Bible from Adam to Jesus complete and truthful in your opinion?
I'd like as clear as a yes or no answer as possible in your opinion but welcome more clarification on your stance if u feel called. Yes, God has the power to do anything, including making creation look older than it is. But why would he do that? I've heard young earthers say that maybe He did that in order to "confuse the wise". That sounds ridiculous to me; my God is a God order, not of confusion. Yes, I don't have a problem with the linage from Adam to Jesus. I have a couple of questions for you; 1) If Adam had never sinned, would he have ever died. No. 2) So, essentially, prior to Adam's sin, he was living in eternity, right? 3) How much time lapsed between Adam's creation and his initial sin? A week? A year? Millions of years? You cannot say for certain.
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Re: Christians - Gap Theory?
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Yes sir
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Does a God that has the power to have created everything as you stated have the ability to make his creation look older than it is to mankind?
Second question is the linage in the Bible from Adam to Jesus complete and truthful in your opinion?
I'd like as clear as a yes or no answer as possible in your opinion but welcome more clarification on your stance if u feel called. Why would God do that? Sounds like deception. Even parents are smart enough not to share all their knowledge with their young children. Is that deception
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Re: Christians - Gap Theory?
[Re: PAskinner]
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Waggler
Does a God that has the power to have created everything as you stated have the ability to make his creation look older than it is to mankind?
Second question is the linage in the Bible from Adam to Jesus complete and truthful in your opinion?
I'd like as clear as a yes or no answer as possible in your opinion but welcome more clarification on your stance if u feel called. Why would God do that? Sounds like deception. Did He not mask His identity from the two disciples on the road after the crucifixion?
-Goofy
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Re: Christians - Gap Theory?
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waggler u asked me 3 questions u answered for me which logically means you weren't even intrested in my answers so I won't waste my time.
As far as God not wanting us to have all the answers and being all knowing look at my previous post I answered both of your questions with a definitive "yes". And you won't answer one of mine? I'll make it easy, just answer question #3.
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Re: Christians - Gap Theory?
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Whats gap theory? Ancient civilizations? Its the theory that there is a gap of time in Genesis. The one I am referring to is a gap between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2. Not sure if there are others or not. The guy who taught his interpretation to our small group believes that the gap separates 2 separate creation stories of humans on the Earth.
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Re: Christians - Gap Theory?
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Hobbie Trapper,
Weak argument. Nobody recognized Jesus face to face after his crucifixion until they heard his voice. You are trying to build a narrative that does not exist; risky business when dealing with the Bible.
Yes Sir,
God does not make it difficult to find Him, He's actually calling people to Himself. He doesn't not confuse people, confusion is the work of Lucifer.
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Re: Christians - Gap Theory?
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Yes sir
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Hobbie Trapper,
Weak argument. Nobody recognized Jesus face to face after his crucifixion until they heard his voice. You are trying to build a narrative that does not exist; risky business when dealing with the Bible.
Yes Sir,
God does not make it difficult to find Him, He's actually calling people to Himself. He doesn't not confuse people, confusion is the work of Lucifer. Never said he makes it difficult to find him. Only way your point has any bearing to this conversation is if the premise of God keeping "his perfect knowledge" from us would limit our ability to draw close to him, which I don't believe is true. Same analogy as I previously used, does by not sharing everything you know with your 5 year old child hinder their ability to find your love?
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Re: Christians - Gap Theory?
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Hobbie Trapper,
Weak argument. Nobody recognized Jesus face to face after his crucifixion until they heard his voice. You are trying to build a narrative that does not exist; risky business when dealing with the Bible.
Yes Sir,
God does not make it difficult to find Him, He's actually calling people to Himself. He doesn't not confuse people, confusion is the work of Lucifer. Argument? I asked a question. Go “scratch” yourself. lol
-Goofy
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Re: Christians - Gap Theory?
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The whole Adam and Eve thing is taken far too literally in my opinion. As are many old testament stories. Not really. The point of the story is Eve took the first bite, so women are really to blame. 
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Re: Christians - Gap Theory?
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A couple things I am totally convinced of and you'll never change my mind. I have spent the last 40 years studying this.
1) What we see in nature and in humans is not the result of millions of happy little accidents. Especially the beginning of life springing from non-life. That's preposterous. There is evidence of design every where you look and design must have a designer.
2) The Earth as we know it is not as old as so called scientists want you to believe. There is plenty of science that backs up the age of the earth as we know it to be a lot younger than millions of years. There has to be a first man and woman, and I believe the description of the man and woman in the book of Genesis is as accurate depiction as the people who passed along the stories of creation could keep them, down through the eons before there were written languages. I also think the concept of original sin is important to the entire narrative of God's relationship to man through the ages.
3) There is so much evidence of a flood it's not even debatable. The ice age resulted from it, tectonic plate movement was involved with it. The entire climate of the earth changed with it, even people started living much shorter lives. The large reptiles couldn't survive the new climate because of the change in the Ozone layer. Throughout the middle east and even africa, aboriginal peoples have a story about a worldwide flood where their ancestors were saved by building a boat. Were there dinosaurs on the ark? It's actually a very plausible theory that young dinosaurs or eggs could have been saved. Either way, the things that happened to create the flood is a very explainable reason for the end of the dinosaurs.
So many scientists are stuck thinking that what they see today has always been slowly changing and you need millions of years to explain it away, so they throw out any scientific evidence that doesn't fit their preconceived beliefs. The history of the Earth is not the result of millions of years of slow change, it is the result of a series of cataclysmic events. When you realize that, the history of the Bible makes a lot more sense.
I don't know much and I admit I know a lot less than I used to think I did. But there are a small number of these cornerstones I am totally convinced of. I'm glad you typed this Bernie. It would have taken me an hour or more. The evidence of a young earth is strong. And the science used to date the millions of years is not true science. There are alot of unexplained things in the fossil record we cannot understand. And science cant explain without observation.
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Re: Christians - Gap Theory?
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Oh no! I think Swamp Wolf I may be on the same page. I love it when people get on the 24 hr day thing in creation and the sun wasn't created til the 4th day.
Another thing I can't get the concept of is dinosaurs on the ark. It's two of each kind. Example dog kind would be a single pair not a pair of wolf's, coyote, husky, ECT. Just a single pair. Also each. Pair would have been young ones. Ie Small and have the longest reproductive life remaining. Check out the creation museum in KY not far from Cincinnati. The arc is in Williamsburg KY If I remember right it's interesting as well .. For me the Bible says it and I believe it. All the carbon dating stuff is a joke. There is not enough carbon left to date after about 2500 years. Again aging rocks due to the layers. Sure sounds reasonable. Yet when mount st helen erupted it created a bunch of layers to be created fast and a known exact date they started. Funny thing 25 years later some samples were sent off for dating and cam back millions of years old. This is laid out well at the creation museum.
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Re: Christians - Gap Theory?
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The whole Adam and Eve thing is taken far too literally in my opinion. As are many old testament stories. Not really. The point of the story is Eve took the first bite, so women are really to blame. God told Adam not to eat the fruit, not Eve. Adam was standing right there when Eve ate the fruit and didn't do anything to stop her. Adam failed in his role as a leader to his wife. It was his job to lead her. and he just stood there like a chump and let her eat the fruit, and even blamed it on her when God asked Adam what happened.
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Re: Christians - Gap Theory?
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Bernie,
I agree with a lot of what you wrote. There is a lot of evidence that the world is not billions of years old. This evidence includes soft tissue in dinosaur "fossils", etc. There is also a lot of evidence that it is older than 6000 years. This evidence includes, tree rings, ice layers etc.
And there is zero evidence that a gradual process of evolution created life, or the major life forms. Evolution is a created process, that allows the major life forms to make adjusments to changes in their environment. It is not a creative process that actually creates life, organs, or major life forms.
Which Is why I think the gap theory might fit the available evidence as well as any. An earlier creation, of which we know little, which became chaotic, empty, and dark. And the seven days of creation being a "re-creation".
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