No Profanity *** No Flaming *** No Advertising *** No Anti Trappers ***NO POLITICS
No Non-Target Catches *** No Links to Anti-trapping Sites *** No Avoiding Profanity Filter


Home~Trap Talk~ADC Forum~Trap Shed~Wilderness Trapping~International Trappers~Fur Handling

Auction Forum~Trapper Tips~Links~Gallery~Basic Sets~Convention Calendar~Chat~ Trap Collecting Forum

Trapper's Humor~Strictly Trapping~Fur Buyers Directory~Mugshots~Fur Sale Directory~Wildcrafting~The Pen and Quill

Trapper's Tales~Words From The Past~Legends~Archives~Kids Forum~Lure Formulators Forum~ Fermenter's Forum


~~~ Dobbins' Products Catalog ~~~


Minnesota Trapline Products
Please support our sponsor for the Trappers Talk Page - Minnesota Trapline Products


Print Thread
Hop To
Page 2 of 3 1 2 3
Re: Caribou protection [Re: The Beav] #8161547
06/27/24 12:06 AM
06/27/24 12:06 AM
Joined: Dec 2010
Armpit, ak
D
Dirt Offline
trapper
Dirt  Offline
trapper
D

Joined: Dec 2010
Armpit, ak
I wonder if non-residents would shoot the sow and cubs packages?


Who is John Galt?
Re: Caribou protection [Re: The Beav] #8161548
06/27/24 12:11 AM
06/27/24 12:11 AM
Joined: Nov 2023
NV
2
2bit Offline
trapper
2bit  Offline
trapper
2

Joined: Nov 2023
NV
The fact they let it get to this point shows how bad the wildlife has been managed there. What a shame

Re: Caribou protection [Re: The Beav] #8161557
06/27/24 12:25 AM
06/27/24 12:25 AM
Joined: Dec 2006
Mt.
g smith Offline
trapper
g smith  Offline
trapper

Joined: Dec 2006
Mt.
I do not think this issue is as simple to solve as some might think .I am getting so lazy I am reluctant to shoot a cow elk 4miles beyond the end of a road that you can legally drive on and I have a pack horse .Big country and heavy meat !


You can ride a fast horse slow but you can't ride a slow horse fast .
Re: Caribou protection [Re: Dirt] #8161558
06/27/24 12:29 AM
06/27/24 12:29 AM
Joined: Sep 2009
Oklahoma
O
okcattrapper Offline
trapper
okcattrapper  Offline
trapper
O

Joined: Sep 2009
Oklahoma
Originally Posted by Dirt
I wonder if non-residents would shoot the sow and cubs packages?



What difference would it make if the end goal is dead bears.

Re: Caribou protection [Re: The Beav] #8161561
06/27/24 12:31 AM
06/27/24 12:31 AM
Joined: Dec 2010
Armpit, ak
D
Dirt Offline
trapper
Dirt  Offline
trapper
D

Joined: Dec 2010
Armpit, ak
POPULATION DYNAMICS AND LIMITING FACTORS
During the early and mid-1970s most Alaskan herds declin
Table 1, 2, 3). The statewide population declined from
ed (Fig.
415,000
1,
in
1970 to 255,000 in 1977 (a decline of 39%, r = -0.08). In contrast
most herds increased from 1977 to 1989. The statewide population
grew from 255,000 in 1977 to 729,000 in 1989 (200%, r = 0.09). The
historical records and prehistorical evidence suggest that frequent
and dramatic population changes have always occurred in Alaskan
caribou herds.


Who is John Galt?
Re: Caribou protection [Re: The Beav] #8161566
06/27/24 12:56 AM
06/27/24 12:56 AM
Joined: Jan 2008
Alaska and Washington State
W
waggler Offline
trapper
waggler  Offline
trapper
W

Joined: Jan 2008
Alaska and Washington State
Caribou are cyclical, nobody really understand all the reasons why. They are relatively slow to bounce back from a crash. The cows only have one calf, never twins. But it stands to reason that their recovery can be helped by predator control, providing the habitat is healthy


"My life is better than your vacation"
Re: Caribou protection [Re: okcattrapper] #8161569
06/27/24 01:08 AM
06/27/24 01:08 AM
Joined: Dec 2010
Armpit, ak
D
Dirt Offline
trapper
Dirt  Offline
trapper
D

Joined: Dec 2010
Armpit, ak
Originally Posted by okcattrapper
Originally Posted by Dirt
I wonder if non-residents would shoot the sow and cubs packages?



What difference would it make if the end goal is dead bears.


The end goal is an increased caribou population and meat for residents. It is illegal for hunters to kill sows with cubs. My guess, adfg is shooting those too. They are also targeting bears on calving grounds likely killing calves during and before calving season. Could they get non-residents to do this? The State Legislature would have to modify the law that requires non-residents to hire a guide. I believe this control is being done from Helicopters/ super cubs. That would also require a law or regulation change to let hunters perform this
predator management.

Sometimes it is just easier to let the man do it. I'm sure the government has spent millions studying the problem and will spend more millions. I can't get to worked up over them actually solving a problem other than studying it endlessly.

From the IM report to the BOG it looks like since 2012 ADFG has spent 2.721 million dollars on research.

Last edited by Dirt; 06/27/24 01:28 AM.

Who is John Galt?
Re: Caribou protection [Re: The Beav] #8161582
06/27/24 02:43 AM
06/27/24 02:43 AM
Joined: May 2024
AK
A
AKbeavhead Offline
trapper
AKbeavhead  Offline
trapper
A

Joined: May 2024
AK
I saw those bears when they auctioned them off in early march down town Anchorage this year. Some trooper confiscation but mostly predator control program bears.
Crazy over 95 bears fleshed and salt dried, all laid out in the parking lot. I think I may have a picture of it.

Re: Caribou protection [Re: The Beav] #8161719
06/27/24 09:14 AM
06/27/24 09:14 AM
Joined: Dec 2008
Manitoba
N
Northof50 Offline
trapper
Northof50  Offline
trapper
N

Joined: Dec 2008
Manitoba
Thanks Dirt for showing some of the numbers and facts.

Re: Caribou protection [Re: MB Coonguy] #8161762
06/27/24 10:55 AM
06/27/24 10:55 AM
Joined: Dec 2006
Fairbanks, Alaska
Pete in Frbks Offline
trapper
Pete in Frbks  Offline
trapper

Joined: Dec 2006
Fairbanks, Alaska
Originally Posted by MB Coonguy
. Just wait until the bleeding hearts get involved if they aren't already. Sometimes animals need to be thinned out to help other stuff survive-just the way it goes. .


Fear not, the bleeding hearts are already WAY involved and trying their level best to stop the work. But thanks to some far-seeing legislators years ago (thank you Senator Bert Sharp,) Alaska has a statute called the "Intensive Management Law." (Dirt illuded to this in his posts...) Simply put, it requires ADFG to take action to conserve populations at traditional harvest levels of animals used for meat for the table. It's not just predator control. Facets include habitat manipulation (browse mgt, prescribed fire...) and various other management options.

Without the IM law, court orders from sympathetic, goofy urban judges, instituted at the behest of the "bleeding hearts," would have long ago halted most, if not all, of our predator management programs and projects.

Pete

Re: Caribou protection [Re: 330-Trapper] #8161770
06/27/24 11:26 AM
06/27/24 11:26 AM
Joined: Dec 2006
MN, Land of 10,000 Lakes
T
Trapper7 Offline
trapper
Trapper7  Offline
trapper
T

Joined: Dec 2006
MN, Land of 10,000 Lakes
Originally Posted by 330-Trapper
How about 81 more wolves

At least take out that many in MN to stop our dwindling population of deer. MN DNR seems to be afraid of the wolf lovers since they lie about the number of wolves in MN.


The first bottles of Coca Cola contained 3.5 grams of cocaine. That's how our grandparents were able to walk to school uphill both ways in the snow.
Re: Caribou protection [Re: The Beav] #8161783
06/27/24 11:53 AM
06/27/24 11:53 AM
Joined: Sep 2009
Oklahoma
O
okcattrapper Offline
trapper
okcattrapper  Offline
trapper
O

Joined: Sep 2009
Oklahoma
Agreed it would be easier to just let them do it. But it would not be too difficult to write a temporary change in the regulation. Open season in 17B for nonresident with no guide until xxx amount of bears are killed check in daily on your inreach to see if that number has been met. Lots of guys would love to hunt them but don't have 30k to pay a guide.

Re: Caribou protection [Re: The Beav] #8161803
06/27/24 12:11 PM
06/27/24 12:11 PM
Joined: Dec 2010
Armpit, ak
D
Dirt Offline
trapper
Dirt  Offline
trapper
D

Joined: Dec 2010
Armpit, ak
It would be real easy to get the guide lobby to support your idea. They probably are not too happy about adfg killing $30,000 times 100 bears equals 3 million dollars worth of brown bears. smile


Who is John Galt?
Re: Caribou protection [Re: Dirt] #8161819
06/27/24 12:36 PM
06/27/24 12:36 PM
Joined: Sep 2009
Oklahoma
O
okcattrapper Offline
trapper
okcattrapper  Offline
trapper
O

Joined: Sep 2009
Oklahoma
Originally Posted by Dirt
It would be real easy to get the guide lobby to support your idea. They probably are not too happy about adfg killing $30,000 times 100 bears equals 3 million dollars worth of brown bears. smile



The guides shouldn't have a say in the states resources.

Re: Caribou protection [Re: okcattrapper] #8161822
06/27/24 12:41 PM
06/27/24 12:41 PM
Joined: Dec 2010
Armpit, ak
D
Dirt Offline
trapper
Dirt  Offline
trapper
D

Joined: Dec 2010
Armpit, ak
Originally Posted by okcattrapper
Originally Posted by Dirt
It would be real easy to get the guide lobby to support your idea. They probably are not too happy about adfg killing $30,000 times 100 bears equals 3 million dollars worth of brown bears. smile



The guides shouldn't have a say in the states resources.


Since the bear control programs were created in an amendment to a wolf control proposal after public testimony closed , apparently they didn't. smile

When it comes to Caribou, who doesn't appreciate reindeer games?

Last edited by Dirt; 06/27/24 12:44 PM.

Who is John Galt?
Re: Caribou protection [Re: The Beav] #8161842
06/27/24 01:29 PM
06/27/24 01:29 PM
Joined: Sep 2009
Oklahoma
O
okcattrapper Offline
trapper
okcattrapper  Offline
trapper
O

Joined: Sep 2009
Oklahoma
The only positive to the caribou going away was all the people went with them. Basically haven't seen any people or camps out here in 17 or 19 in 20 years, kinda nice come to think of it. Maybe it is better for fish and game to shoot the bears,at least it's just a couple guys and a helicopter.

Re: Caribou protection [Re: okcattrapper] #8161844
06/27/24 01:36 PM
06/27/24 01:36 PM
Joined: Dec 2010
Armpit, ak
D
Dirt Offline
trapper
Dirt  Offline
trapper
D

Joined: Dec 2010
Armpit, ak
Originally Posted by okcattrapper
The only positive to the caribou going away was all the people went with them. Basically haven't seen any people or camps out here in 17 or 19 in 20 years, kinda nice come to think of it. Maybe it is better for fish and game to shoot the bears,at least it's just a couple guys and a helicopter.


It was quite the zoo.
smile


Who is John Galt?
Re: Caribou protection [Re: ] #8161863
06/27/24 02:07 PM
06/27/24 02:07 PM
Joined: Oct 2022
OK
P
Panther creek Offline
trapper
Panther creek  Offline
trapper
P

Joined: Oct 2022
OK
Is it filling up with non res black bear or moose? It can easily be a temporary thing just as blasting 100 or so bears a year and leaving them lay is

Re: Caribou protection [Re: Dirt] #8161864
06/27/24 02:10 PM
06/27/24 02:10 PM
Joined: Oct 2022
OK
P
Panther creek Offline
trapper
Panther creek  Offline
trapper
P

Joined: Oct 2022
OK
You really think residents are eating grizzly bears?

Re: Caribou protection [Re: okcattrapper] #8161866
06/27/24 02:13 PM
06/27/24 02:13 PM
Joined: Jun 2015
rogers city mi.
J
jeff karsten Offline
trapper
jeff karsten  Offline
trapper
J

Joined: Jun 2015
rogers city mi.
Originally Posted by okcattrapper
Instead of spending 300k to fly around in a helicopter and shoot brown bear why not open the area temporarily to non-resident without a guide and make 300k? At least someone would get something out of it. I'm not buying the it's for safety reasons either, the same guy that can't hunt grizzly on his own can hunt moose on his own. A dead moose that takes two or three days to pack out is a grizzly magnet.

Probably for the same reasons farmers don't open their property to hunters Now there are a few who will respect your property and take out a couple does More think they can invite all their friends so you have no idea who they are and then you have want to be a utube heros it Isn't worth the headache


olden tyred
Page 2 of 3 1 2 3
Previous Thread
Index
Next Thread