At seventeen, I was carrying a rifle for a living, having sworn an oath to defend against all enemies, foreign and domestic. I was not yet old enough to vote or drink but old enough to decide for myself that I was willing to fight, and if need be die, for this nation.

I'll be -if I'll stand by and say it okay to deny an 18 his natural born 2A rights no matter what his or her reasoning may be. I just have to accept and assume he or she is a free and responsible fellow American, not some sort of second class Because that's exactly what you're saying with a ten day wait based on age.

WD This goes for you too. This is why many will never trust the current batch of supposed fighters that are to uphold our constitutional rights if things were to go south. Not that I’m scared of what most the ng units I’ve seen could do quite frankly the past decade or two. Bureaucrats decide which wars to start, then decide how many of these same 18 year olds they are willing to send to their death. Sort of ironic don’t ya think…. But heaven forbid they are competent enough to have a drink or purchase a gun. Same ol story, different decade…. Maybe focus on the real issues at hand like drugs and mental health. But that would not accomplish the goal, so this is the path chosen by them.

I honestly can't disagree, I've tried explaining this multiple times what used to work for past generations just won't now days. I could go on at length about this but it's a complex issue and people want KISS so .... Yeah

I will say though on a while active duty isn't better at all , worse int a lot of ways that if your not in a d seeing it you won't get and I won't t try to explain and don't get me stared on mental health especially from a veteran aspect. Most Nam and GWOT vets I've talked to from on her to the VA to in service to hair meeting out and about/oneline agree that most really don't care, that act like it so they can say they tried but when stuff starts getting difficult ( like when the kiss method of telling someone with PTSD / sever depression as a result of service to just get over it ,man up ect doesn't just magically fix the problem after a ten minute conversation)majority turn on you in a second. Your broken your no longer useful you get tossed to to curve...thays why most don't /won't talk or seek help...but when you bring it up your the bad guy...... But anyhow I'm going off on a tanget at this point

Where you the of the majority or the minority though ? Because I'll be 100% honest when I say large majority of kids now days of the same age range are not who you where at that same age. Sorry it sucks but it's true. I mean y'all routinely talk about how crappy my generation is , how irresponsible we are how violent, reckless,Godless lost, hod headed ,ill tempered, confused ect we are ,then come with this.
Look I 100% feel gun laws are infringements yes , (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) I wanna be able to order a full auto m60 though the mail with no paper work to my door ,but at the same time there is a obvious reality that society right now probably isn't the best for that. And heck when I was 18 I was a friggen idiot, I did a lot of stupid stuff in the heat of the moment and j been in the gun shop seeing stuff happen where people where buying a gun to use THAT DAY for something because they where all heated.

If we lived in a perfect nice society where people where respectful,common sense abounded, and I don't have to worry about a lot of the crap I've seen , fine sure , here junior heres your Mac 10 go have fun. But again the reality is that's not the world we live anymore.

And no I'm not saying that means we need to ban guns be California or whatever but Christ, something like a 10day wait for certain ages , or even mandatory classes for ownership don't seem bad .

And now I wait to be called an anti American liber demorat or whatever

You make valid points, WD. I work with a lot of kids under 25 and most of them have the mentality of maybe... I dunno, a 12 year old? When I was 16 I was renting my own apartment and working 2 jobs to pay for it.... now you can't get a 16 year old to show up for a 4 hour shift.

I don't know though that restricting the rights of all 18 year olds is the answer though.

IMO the state of the younger generation is at crisis level. And I don't have a clue how to fix that.

For those intent on delivering evil, you can restrict the rights of good citizens all you want. If the method of evil isn't available, they will persue an alternative evil.

It is society that has changed. Guns haven't changed. Most people don't have any ill intent when they buy a gun. A few do. I have always been of the mind that if you give the opposition anything they will use it to take more. I remember when California instated a ten day wait, up from a three day. What a pain. All it does is make me resent my government. People willing to belly up so easy and say, "oh it won't kill you to wait ten days" is of the same mind of , oh you don't need 20 rounds, you dont need ar's, you dont need semi autos, you don't need a gun.

...i can tell a lot of y'all haven't been around many of the younger people who commit crimes now days......

Wish I could drag some of y'all out of y'all bubbles and to some of the places I go to shop and you'll see some stuff.

Put it to you like this. A lot of these kidS now days run on a today no future look on life, another humans life dirn me jack. Give them a easy option to do the first thing they think they will take it 7/10x . Yeah they might be able to get it on the street but it's more danger involved at a higher markup and that time between can be enough to stop some. Funerals. I've legit had these conversations with people that if they that $400 and if they where able to get something that day they would have spun somones house . But they had to wait because of the law and they don't have the extra money for the street one. An they talk about it as casual as whatever. And you know when there serious.

And untill we go though the long painful process of fixing that on a deep social level... Well

Is it a be all end all solution to the problem? No . Is it gonna stop crime ? No..will it at least help stop SOME of these senseless spur of the moment things ? Definitely

And this line of thinking is exactly how we went from mail order guns right to our homes to the restrictions we have now. It's always sold as reasonable then they take another small piece after the next shooting. Those that trade liberty for security deserve neither come to mind. But if it just saves one life.

It's all emotional based bs and I'm ashamed so many even here buy into it even just a little. Charles and the others that are just fine with it would likely be the same that would report on their Neighbors in 1930 Germany.


Blows me away substituted any kind of reasonable trapping restrictions like cage trapping only and man would they hit the fan about it.

Freedom is scary and comes with risk. Any and everyone that's OK with this please let me know so I know who the firs to turn on me and sell out my kids are. Don't be shy.

If someone passes a background check,they should be able to purchase the gun on the spot.
We already have enough laws!

we shouldnt even have background checks. how many outlaws were stopped by background checks? you can not reduce crime by passing laws. freedom is a good thing. embrace it. those kids your scared of can buy guns as easy as they buy meth and fentanyl.

you live in fantasy land if you think background checks are a good idea

I agree in one aspect, today's generation is about worthless and I don't think that's just grumpy old man talking.

But I think you and I are quite alike in one thing many are missing today.

We both have Dad's that raised us. Not knocking loving Mama's doing the best they can but kids need both parents and boy children definitely need a butt kicking male.

But many in this generation don't even have mama's worth a crap much less dad's. And u would argue that a child raised by two mama's or whatever its called these days will be unsafe at any age.

FWIW my grandson whose gun purchase was delayed has enlisted in the Marine Corp. Leaves August 12. You'd think the background check they did would make all the old women quaking in their slippers feel safer.

I'm sure you'll be fine with the next law they come up with then. And then the one after that. Heck, let's just go ahead and skip to the end goal - no one needs guns at all.

That's the one and it's a huge victory. It won't stop them from trying but at least now we can challenge them in court.

WILL NOT INFRINGE!!!!!! PERIOD

In my opinion, if you treat young adults like children, that is the kind of behavior you are going to get. Eighteen should be the age for buying guns, drinking, smoking, everything. If folks learn lessons from an early age, that actions have consequences, it makes you a better person. Sometimes the lessons are hard. These are the lessons that stick with you. When I grew up in the seventies and eighties, I started doing farm work at about age 14. Baling hay, picking up rocks, walking beans, shingling, hard physical work. Oftentimes when we got done, the boss would pass around cold beers for everyone, us kids included. We took it as a sign of respect, you work hard for someone even though you might not be old enough to legally drink, you will be treated like a man. It made you proud to treated as an equal, it made you feel like a man, and it made you work harder.

I bought my first gun at age 15 in Sleepy Eye, MN. Still have it, a Remington Wingmaster 870 12 gauge. My Mom came in and did the paperwork, but I did the price negotiations, laid the cash out,, looked the hardware store owner in the eye and we shook hands on the deal. He treated me as a man, not a kid, and why wouldn't he. It was my own money that I had worked hard for. Danny, your grandson should have been able to walk out of that store with the gun in hand.

Suppose we could perform an on-site drug test to buy a gun?

I was hunting well before 18, but there were no drugs or gangs when I was a teen in the 60s, living in rural NC.

My stance on the BATF creating laws, that is a hard no. I will stand by that as there is a process.