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Re: Debt is good!!!! [Re: Boco] #8167481
07/07/24 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Boco
Originally Posted by Wanna Be
I’m not smart enough to be in debt to make money. I also lack the ambition. I have no desire to be rich, I just like being mediocre. I’ll be debt free soon enough and I’ll be happy. I have everything a man could want in this life, I don’t have to have status or exuberant amount of money to make me happy. I’m a simple man. I enjoy my job and my “second” job I’d do for free but get paid for.
I have buddy that has his irons in umpteen fires and is RICH, but always working and never has time to be happy. I prefer a more stress free life and lack of debt makes me that way. I’m just your average poor Southerner content with what I have.


You got it figured out.
Its fairly difficult to not make money so when it starts to build up too much I give it away to family.

If it's so easy, teach them how, then you won't have to give them any?

Re: Debt is good!!!! [Re: Boco] #8167497
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Originally Posted by Boco
Originally Posted by Wanna Be
I’m not smart enough to be in debt to make money. I also lack the ambition. I have no desire to be rich, I just like being mediocre. I’ll be debt free soon enough and I’ll be happy. I have everything a man could want in this life, I don’t have to have status or exuberant amount of money to make me happy. I’m a simple man. I enjoy my job and my “second” job I’d do for free but get paid for.
I have buddy that has his irons in umpteen fires and is RICH, but always working and never has time to be happy. I prefer a more stress free life and lack of debt makes me that way. I’m just your average poor Southerner content with what I have.


You got it figured out.
Its fairly difficult to not make money so when it starts to build up too much I give it away to family.

Family must think you're a real chump. Uncle Boco is giving away money again so he'll get invited to the family BBQ!

Re: Debt is good!!!! [Re: Pafoxman] #8167505
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Boco, I’ve given to family, this site, individuals in tough times, even research for young couples that may be struggling around Christmas time. Heck, if I was to win the lottery I still wouldn’t be rich because my friends and those who’ve influenced me or my boys would be rewarded. I’d definitely be able to retire, but so would about a few dozen others. I learned a long time ago I like to give way better than receiving.

Re: Debt is good!!!! [Re: Pafoxman] #8167507
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Debt is Good but not for me. Always in debt, you gain NO equity in the purchase item. It always costs you more money but it is the way we live.


Give me a fish, I will eat for a day. Teach me to fish, I will eat for a lifetime
Re: Debt is good!!!! [Re: Pafoxman] #8167636
07/07/24 02:08 PM
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The freedom and flexibility that comes with being debt-free trumps everything. Everything.

Sure you can make more money with debt in some scenarios. But the cost is high in other ways. Not for me.

Re: Debt is good!!!! [Re: snowy] #8167639
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I worked with a lot of businesses where we used what we called managed debt to save on income tax etc. We set up operating loans and even capital operating loans to have access to funds quickly and take advantage of better prices and year end income management. Many places offered up to 10% off on purchasing input items ahead of time. Capital items that make a business more efficient, profitable and also a nice tax saving make a lot of sense. Now these were not huge loans or amounts but if one can use money at say then at 6% to lower income say say 20K with a 30% tax bracket the savings are big.

Bryce

Re: Debt is good!!!! [Re: Pafoxman] #8167641
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X2 Bryce !!


Reminds me of my late FIL ...a self made millionaire........always said........." Tell your wife nothing. Tell your lawyer only what he needs to know. Tell your CPA everything. "


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Re: Debt is good!!!! [Re: Pafoxman] #8167645
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Words to live by w17


U should get shirts/bumper stickers made up

Re: Debt is good!!!! [Re: Pafoxman] #8167647
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Re: Debt is good!!!! [Re: BernieB.] #8167654
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Originally Posted by BernieB.
The freedom and flexibility that comes with being debt-free trumps everything. Everything.


100%


Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
Re: Debt is good!!!! [Re: Pafoxman] #8167718
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The borrower is slave to the lender.

Been debt free for several years and Lord willing don’t plan to ever go back. When your house and everything else is yours and not the banks you have money to invest and watch it grow. There is risk involved when borrowing money. I sleep good every night

Re: Debt is good!!!! [Re: Pafoxman] #8167890
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Hard to become wealthy without using other people's hands (labor) and other people's money (debt). Nearly impossible to legally achieve your goals all by yourself. You only have 24 hours in a day and you only have two hands.

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Re: Debt is good!!!! [Re: Pafoxman] #8167896
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Debt/credit grease the wheels of the financial world

Without it,,,,not much would happen

Re: Debt is good!!!! [Re: charles] #8167928
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Originally Posted by charles
Hard to become wealthy without using other people's hands (labor) and other people's money (debt). Nearly impossible to legally achieve your goals all by yourself. You only have 24 hours in a day and you only have two hands.


Depends on what you think wealthy is. Many of millionaire have been made that make 60k a year or less with countries spending and constant investing over time and are much better off on retirement than many people that made welcome over 6 figures


But to me that's comfortably not truly wealthy. Truly being wealthy owning a profitable business along with every tax advantage and investment would be more likely path to get there.

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Re: Debt is good!!!! [Re: bblwi] #8167945
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Originally Posted by bblwi
I worked with a lot of businesses where we used what we called managed debt to save on income tax etc. We set up operating loans and even capital operating loans to have access to funds quickly and take advantage of better prices and year end income management. Many places offered up to 10% off on purchasing input items ahead of time. Capital items that make a business more efficient, profitable and also a nice tax saving make a lot of sense. Now these were not huge loans or amounts but if one can use money at say then at 6% to lower income say say 20K with a 30% tax bracket the savings are big.

Bryce

Investment credit was a candy bait that was hard to turn down. It was a way to stimulate the economy and put people to work. It was also easy to reason why one should buy machinery he had no need for just to be taking it off the bottom line of his taxes. At times paying taxes is not a bad thing.

Re: Debt is good!!!! [Re: spjones] #8167952
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Originally Posted by spjones
Debt/credit grease the wheels of the financial world

Without it,,,,not much would happen

That's been proven false.

Re: Debt is good!!!! [Re: WI Outdoors] #8167954
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Originally Posted by WI Outdoors
Originally Posted by spjones
Debt/credit grease the wheels of the financial world

Without it,,,,not much would happen

That's been proven false.

More like throwing sand in the bearings.


Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
Re: Debt is good!!!! [Re: charles] #8167981
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Originally Posted by charles
Hard to become wealthy without using other people's hands (labor) and other people's money (debt). Nearly impossible to legally achieve your goals all by yourself. You only have 24 hours in a day and you only have two hands.


Poppycock

Re: Debt is good!!!! [Re: charles] #8167984
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Originally Posted by charles
Hard to become wealthy without using other people's hands (labor) and other people's money (debt). Nearly impossible to legally achieve your goals all by yourself. You only have 24 hours in a day and you only have two hands.


you should read the book "The Millionaire Next Door."

There is a huge difference between using labor and using other people's money. Not even the same universe.

Re: Debt is good!!!! [Re: Pafoxman] #8168037
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i have no debt.


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