Just got home. Very good conversation Gentlemen.

Maybe Shakespeare and Luther couldn't find a nicer word for German hass. But come to think of hass, dross and dregs don't sound too good either. People get upset over words for different reasons. Remember a few weeks back I told you about the woman at my church that was upset about me saying the wicked would drink the dregs. She was just upset because that implied wine and since she is tea totaly against it, she said there was no moister in hades so that couldn't be right because the rich man was dry and asked Lazarus for a drop on his tongue. I made mention that wasn't Heaven but Abraham's bosom and she said didn't matter. A couple weeks ago I asked her if we had a loved one that maybe didn't make to Heaven would we know their suffering, She reasoned if we knew their suffering it wouldn't be Heaven to us where there is no tears. I will probably bring that up again, but until then dregs is a bad word because it implies wine, I think she sits on her lees too much, lol.

I really struggle with all the Pauline books. I think it is because of my Biblical ignorance, but Paul is a very hard read for me. Some of it I get and makes total sense, other parts, I just scratch my head.

I wonder if Paul's take on it is even relevant to our salvation? I don't think so, Jesus' gospel is enough. What do ya'll think?

To be honest, I am still struggling with the conversation you all are having. I'm not sure where I stand. All I can do is continue to read and pray for the Holy Spirit to guide me in the right direction and also reach out to folks with differing thoughts. Most of the folks in my part are strict zionists.

Jews think Jesus is a false prophet

Arabs think Jesus is a false prophet

Both are Semites

… why do so many Christian’s drool over one group and not the other ?

Best I can tell is because of money and financing Savell.

I would also say media control… but that might be too antisemitic lol

…. But on the other hand if sure enough Arabs controlled media these hands might raise an eyebrow?

… anyhow… yall enjoy your soros’ and the like

Watch this interview with Mike Wallace and the Sha of Iran. Especially starting at around 1:40. Iran used to be a pretty nice place.

All thru history, Israel has got out out of Gods' goodwill and he would punish them by their enemies. How do I know if now is one of those times? I don't. At the same time I don't want to get caught on the wrong side of God. The 9/11 incident I still remember. So maybe I'm biased.
All I have is the bible to guide me and if its wrong then I would be following a blind guide. If the blind lead the blind both will fall in the ditch. So I just have to do the best I can with the resources and knowledge I have. I have talked with friends about end times and how to know who your friends are. I came to the conclusion if someone shoots at me they are going to get shot back at. If it is friendly fire, well whats friendly about getting shot at.

Are you speaking of Islam when you say Arabs?

… maybe some warfare is more discreet than bullets flying

Foxpaw,
It seems most folks seem to like Genesis 12:3, but forget about 2 Chronicles 7:14.

Savell; … maybe some warfare is more discreet than bullets flying.

I can relate to that. I remember the flower children in the airports and the drugs. Jane Fonda parading around like she was a goddess. Those times right there was the seed for the crop we are reaping right now. I believe I remember hearing Russia saying they would take America without firing a shot.

…. I’m speaking of Arabs and pretty sure the vast majority of them believe Mohamed Ali is the prophet not Jesus Ramos

… I’m an antijanefondaite also

Muslims actually think Jesus is the second greatest prophet, but don't believe he is divine.

Muslim men can marry people of the book, which are themselves, Jews and Christians and are forbidden to marry anyone else. Muslim women are not supposed to marry non Muslims.

Keith

When you're immature and a child, fear of punishment is why many people obey their parents. As they age and gain empathy, love and respect is why most people listen to their parents. The people who only obey out of fear, once they have matured, typically have lots of problems in society and are highly likely to end up in the prison system.

Keith

There are many Arab Christians and Jews, Most of the Christions in Israel before 1948 were Arab I believe .

I'll just say it. Some of the crap the state of Israel has been doing in this so called war is horrific and if Arabs do the same, we call them terrorists. Why did the Geneva convention happen if our allies aren't going to abide by it and we aren't going to demand that they do? What Foxpaw said is correct.. God doesn't support Israel unconditionally so why do Christians think we should? They have been conditioned to think Jewish people are God's pets who can do whatever and God will bless them. I used to believe it too. But it's not biblical. I love Paul's writing but yes, he can be hard to understand, because he goes deep, and interprets the Torah in light of Jesus' fulfillment of it.

I agree a lot. Ezekiel 1-33 has for most part been fulfilled. Ezekiel 34-38 is in the future unless Ezekiel is a liar. If so then the bible is a lie, or at least my interpretation of it is wrong.

I study philosophy quite a lot. Some things I talk about comes from the era of the apocrypha which just drives one guy I know nuts. Particularly when I mention Plato and his idea why there must be a higher power or first mover. This guy says instead of reasoning why there is a God that Plato should have just asked God. 400 years of darkness shows man still had the quest for light.
The same church believes its ok to read Daniel 1-12 but not chapter 13. Sometimes I get the feeling the Apocrypha is like concealed carry, but I guess only the elite get to carry.

This same guy when I mentioned that Socrates said "to know thy self is the beginning of wisdom", the guy went quiet back into his secret place. Maybe he presents himself as not being secretive but the ring he wears says different. Which is kinda ironic when you are secretive and wear a big ring saying so, lol. Oh well where would the world be if we didn't have peanuts and potatoes. They are harder crops that we have to work harder to dig up, but at least they are hidden from the elements of the world. Mice however do work in the underworld, lol.

People like to keep their subjects in a box for some reason, why I don't know, maybe a control factor? Secrets and controlling information is a way of locking the devil out and hopefully not locking him in the box one is in, lol. Kinda reminds me of the Alfred Hitchcock's movie "The Final Escape". Would be scary to find out that the guy who was supposed to dig you up was buried with you. I think the first thing I would have done was blow that match out, oxygen was precious, lol.

One thing in the bible is not a secret. What Jesus did was not done in some secret corner but was out on a hill top for the whole world to see. All of the devils improvised secrets has not been able to cover that up, in fact all his efforts to do so has just made the light shine brighter!

Paul wrote most of his letters before most if not all of the Gospels were written. In fact Luke traveled with Paul and wrote his Gospel after those ministry journals. The fact that Paul went on 3 ministry journeys to spread Christianity prior to the Gospels says a lot to me about his discipleship and apostolic work. The northern kingdom of the Jews was defeated and scattered decades before the southern kingdome (Judah) the Jews were scattered all across the Mid-East, Asia Minor and beyond. Paul in his journeys probably connected well with displaced Jews as he himself was a Jew. He could minister to them as well as the Gentiles. The southern kingdom was defeated long after the northern kingdom and was exiled to Babylon for several dedades.

Bryce