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Re: Who called it? Baldwin walks. [Re: elkaholic] #8172025
07/13/24 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by elkaholic
A movie set is a whole different ball game when it comes to weapons. The actors rely heavily on the armorer to ensure the correct ammo is loaded for scenes. In a lot of instances basic gun safety rules can cause massive delays because of actors ensuring the weapon is safe.
They don't load the ammo, or put the safety on. They're basically handed the weapon and told it's clear, safe, what have you. Any checking of the weapon can cause the weapon to malfunction and/or become unsafe. Thus why it's the armorers sole responsibility to ensure the weapon is "ready to go".

How many weapons do you see in movies that are shot directly at a camera? How many of those weapons do you think were individually checked by the actor? The answer is easy.... Absolutely 0.


Despite everything that I adhere to with gun handling safety I have to agree with what elkaholic says.

Re: Who called it? Baldwin walks. [Re: Trapper7] #8172042
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Originally Posted by Trapper7
Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
As he should have. Even if he's a strange dude. He wasn't in charge of loading and assuring the safety of the gun. They had a specialist for that.

Disagree. I 've been a firearms instructor for about 20 years. You never point a real firearm, loaded or unloaded at a person. Doesn't matter if you're positive it's not loaded. And you certainly don't pull the trigger. Baldwin claims he never pulled the trigger. So, it went off by itself? The pistol was checked by several firearm experts who said Baldwin's claim was impossible. There was no doubt he pulled the trigger. He should be in prison.


Agree!

Re: Who called it? Baldwin walks. [Re: Guss] #8172131
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Originally Posted by Guss
He should of went to prison he should feel what the little people feel without millions in the bank.


If you even have a job, either work harder or get a better one instead of whining about others who have achieved more than you.

As for Baldwin, charges should have never been filed.

Re: Who called it? Baldwin walks. [Re: warrior] #8172143
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Who hired the gun prop beezoe ?

He is a least partially responsible as the producer of flick .


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Re: Who called it? Baldwin walks. [Re: warrior] #8172151
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There should never have been any live rounds on the set In the first place.


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Re: Who called it? Baldwin walks. [Re: warrior] #8172202
07/13/24 04:27 PM
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Personal opinion.

Everyone involved with that shoot who held any responsibility for the safety of that crew should've been charged or held liable for whatever measure of responsibility that they may have failed to do.

No different than you would go after a mine or factory owner who allows unsafe equipment on a jobsite resulting in injury or death.

As for it being Alec Baldwin, he should've been horse whipped a long time ago but that's a separate matter.

As for the improper conduct of the prosecution, I smell a rat. Just can't determine whether intent or incompetent, yet.

BTW, I've seen things on film sets that informs my opinion. There's an unspoken but very real rule of what happens on a closed set stays on a closed set and the resulting lack of accountability that occurs.

Mostly the lawyers and insurance companies keep things in check but again I've seen things, none of which I can talk about.


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Re: Who called it? Baldwin walks. [Re: Mack] #8172219
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Originally Posted by Mack
Originally Posted by wy.wolfer
I guess this negates one of the basic tenets of gun safety. Always check the weapon, even if you trust the person who hands it to you and says " don't worry, it's not loaded".


Agree! When I was a kid and my father was teaching me safe gun handling procedures, the thing he stressed the most was to always make sure that the muzzle is pointed in a safe direction and that applies even when you are positive that it is not loaded. In the case, Baldwin not only pointed it at someone, he pulled the trigger!



I can't stand the guy but lot of this is just ridiculous.. He wasn't pointing the gun at a person . HE WAS POINTING IT AT THE CAMERA in a scene. Unfortunately the lady killed was behind the camera Just watch action movies and notice how many times there is a straight on view of someone firing a gun. TONS The one to be hanged is the idiot that brought the box of shells so they could target shoot during down time. PLUS the woman armorer. She was blantly lazy. I bet she opened the cylinder , saw it was loaded and didn't think to see if live or blanks. THEN also she might have never dreamed live rounds were on set if she wasn't one who "target practiced" earlier in the day.

Re: Who called it? Baldwin walks. [Re: beaverpeeler] #8172241
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Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
As he should have. Even if he's a strange dude. He wasn't in charge of loading and assuring the safety of the gun. They had a specialist for that.

Agree I don’t like him but he hired a professional for the firearms , you can’t do everything yourself

Re: Who called it? Baldwin walks. [Re: warrior] #8172250
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Let me ask a hypothetical.

Considering the recent holiday, let's say we held a tman get together.

Our lovable but slightly off Uncle Paul brings the fireworks. We trust the guy to bring the fire works because that's what he did for a living, or so we're told.

So you get handed a firecracker and when you set it off all your neighbors windows get shattered.

Who is at fault?

Give this scenario a run past your local constabulary if you want.


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Re: Who called it? Baldwin walks. [Re: warrior] #8172255
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My point, you are handed what is reasonably known to be potentially deadly item.

At what point is it your own due duty to determine for yourself the safety of a particular act?


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Re: Who called it? Baldwin walks. [Re: warrior] #8172274
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Originally Posted by warrior
My point, you are handed what is reasonably known to be potentially deadly item.

At what point is it your own due duty to determine for yourself the safety of a particular act?


A more applicable scenario. We have a get together and hire a professional to handle the firework display, the professional hands you the ignitor to get the show going and gives you instructions on how to do it, you follow the instructions and the windows blow out, who's at fault?

Re: Who called it? Baldwin walks. [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8172277
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Originally Posted by warrior
My point, you are handed what is reasonably known to be potentially deadly item.

At what point is it your own due duty to determine for yourself the safety of a particular act?


A more applicable scenario. We have a get together and hire a professional to handle the firework display, the professional hands you the ignitor to get the show going and gives you instructions on how to do it, you follow the instructions and the windows blow out, who's at fault?



Who hired the "professional"?


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Re: Who called it? Baldwin walks. [Re: warrior] #8172284
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