Pulled out on the hwy leaving work state boy followed from the other side of the rode onto the hwy. Took him about 2 miles to pull me over and ask why I didn't have on my seat belt. I just responded I figured because the state needs more money and i could make a donation. He nervous smiled and laughed took my registration and left to process my ticket no more fishing or other bs. Was polite and explained my ticket and how yo pay it I cut him off told him thanks I know it's not my first and drove off without the seat belt on.

Good cop interaction nice younger guy. I could have been more friendly or tried a bs story or excuse he has heard many time and my response guaranteed my ticket and I knew it. But I have had week of long days and and can't stand stupid questions, just tell me why you stopped me and give me the ticket. Another $25 to the state is the least I can do. Just add that to the 9800 in property and 8k in state and county income taxes and its not even noticeable. At least this was 100% avoidable so voluntary. Sure is not a job I would want to do.





At least I didn't get do you have any guns in the vehicle. I don't respond to that well. Surprised though with the boxes of ammo visible when I opened the glove box

I would not want his job either!

The law in KS is if asked if your armed and you are you have to say so. I never been asked.

It's normal here to get do you know why I stopped you, where are you heading, where are you coming from, have Any guns in the vehicle. OK guns are not illegal, last I saw I don't have to inform but do when asked. I quit giving my handgun permit over with my license yeaes ago. I did it to be nice and let them know I was armed. But the reaction normally went from played back to nervous cop with gun out and me out of my vehicle. So I quit doing that since it was not required.

Where am I going or have I been. None of your business quit fishing, do you know why I pulled you over, you pulled me over you tell me I'm not telling on myself.

I don't have patience for the bs. Tell me the problem Wright the ticket and move on to the next income generator driving down the road.

I font like it when a cop follows me.

Your lucky for only $25. I got a seatbelt ticket here and it was $150.Have never been asked if I'm carrying a weapon. Have heard the were are you going or coming from. Answered none of your business/why? This was followed by license and registration sir. Which always makes me laugh because they know everything about you and your vehicle before walking up to it. If the police stay civil, so do I. If they give attitude for no reason, so do I. Civility begets civility. Out in these parts they train a lot of sheriff recruits from the city. They have a hard time figuring out it's completely different out here in the middle of nowhere. So it's takes them a while to lose the citiots attitude and come down to earth. They're a little gung ho to begin with.
I also like to leave the BS and just get on with the ticket. Arguing and bartering seem to be left better for the courts.

I'm offended. I looked at the ticket and it list me as white non Hispanic and male. How dare they assume my race and gender. ( ya probably pops up automatically when scanning my licens in the system) but still how insensitive to my feelings .

Turtle they go up with each seat belt violation. I don't remember the time frame but the next within so long will be 50 then 75 and on up. I just have not had one in a few years. Normally wear it today I had put it on but took it off getting my phone out of my pocket at the light to connect my hands free system. The light turned and I didn't put it back on.

why not just wear the seatbelt?

10 dollar ticket here, but it's a bootstrap to get their nose in the vehicle.

My exact thought. Seat belts save lives You deserved the ticket.

More government control.

1st neither of you seem to be able to read and comprehend its in a post above.

2 it's my life and no one else's and just a method to make more money for the state at best but oft time just another excuse to use to pull people over for a fishing expedition.

3. My scout leader is dead because he could not get out of his seat belt and hung in it tell he died so they also take life's.

4 grandpa I never said anything negative other than give me the ticket and move on it's all about making more money and an excuse to pull people over and ask questions. As far as deserve a ticket you must be someone that needs the government to tell you everything to do and control every aspect of your life. I'm more of a remove warning labels and expect people to be responsible and deal with their choices and results of their actions.

You sound like someone that wants the government to control everything in his life. Pretty sad but there are all types out there.

Just guessing but reaction and body's response to not being used to someone not lying to him making bs excuses and instead being strait forward im tire and get on with it I don't care response not cowering or concerned at all.

I'm much more tired than I thought I fell asleep in the laundry mat room in mom's condo building waiting on cloths in the dryer. Basically I don't think he was used to the I don't give a .... response and body language.

Lol.....years ago I was driving down the street to my house. There was a cop half blocking a T intersection near my driveway
He was standing in the street and stopped me.
PD " Where are you going "
Me " down this street "
PD " get out of here and go home "
Me " ok "
Then I proceeded to drive past the cop as he was stunned and started screaming at me. I went 75ft and.pulled into my driveway , stopping at the end and got out to get my mail from my mailbox. The cop comes running up screaming at me.
PD " I told you to leave and go home !!!!"
Me " this is my house. This is my mailbox. This is my mail. This is my lawn. These are my dandelions ", ripping some out of the ground.
PD " I wanna see some ID "
Me " no. "
Me " if you want , run my plates , you will find them registered to this address. "
Stunned look on the cops face.
Me " you are new here ? "

Cop left with his tail between his legs.......lol

Tell them that they are prolly in debt PF don't let em off easy!

Maybe you should add no negative comments to your posts. Why how dare they!

Since we are a true Constitutional carry state I would think all cops would consider everyone they stopped to be armed. I know I would if I were a cop, that might be why you've never been asked. I have never been asked either.

Last time I got pulled over at 330am after work for a license plates light being out( fishing and he admitted it) I was asked if I had any guns in the truck. Again my response was unexpected and the cops reaction showed it.

I just responded matter of fact with absolutely it's southern Indiana doesn't everybody and if not they should. He asked what I had and the location asked me to get out of the truck and stand behind it tell he ran my info. Another 25 Min wast of time. I did replace the two burnt out bulbs a few days after that.

Lol.......

If you think seat belts are government control I bet you really get peed off because you have to have a license, tags, insurance onthat same vehicle!!! Your scout master might have died because of a seat belt. But millions have been saved because of them

This is a live free or die state. No helmets on motocycles no seatbelts for anyone over 18. i dont wear them and never have.been driving for 65 years, I dont plan on stating now. How do you know if a person was saved by the belt? Because some goverment offical told you. I ohers want to wear them, tha is fine. dont tell me I have to.

I dont know about other places but here there are more unsolved murders than solved. Many many many more unsolved burglaries and thefts. Its my opinion those ought to be priority's. I never wear a seat belt. I dont like it rubbing my neck. If thats what I die from no one needs to feel guilt over it. Its my choice.

Wearing a seatbelt should not be government mandated. It should be a choice. I agree that it is law simply to generate revenue.

I also think that if you choose not to wear one you are unaware of how much that choice increases your chances of being injured or killed in an auto accident. Either that or you just don't give a crap.

My wife never wore one. Said the same thing as Danny, it irritated her neck.

Two young girls rear-ended her while she was stopped in traffic at an intersection a couple of years ago. She broke the windshield with her head in the lower corner of the passenger side. It's weird how the forces involved can toss your body around like a rag doll.

It was just dumb luck that she didn't break her neck.

If she'd have been wearing her seat belt she would have been uninjured.

Last time I was stopped the cop asked if I knew why. I was tempted to ask, "No, don't you?"

He ask for license and registration. I pointed out that my wallet was right next to my clearly visible handgun sticking out of the open flap of my briefcase on the passenger seat. He says kind of irritably, "Just get it."

While I'm reaching for my wallet he steps forward to look at my windshield and mutters, "I thought I saw a three." Then he mutters, "We're good" and walks back to his car. I asked, "Are we done?" He yells over his shoulder, "Yeah."

He thought I was out of inspection. I should've had a 5 sticker as it was good until May and I did. He was looking at my weight class sticker (3) and thought it was my inspection sticker.

I have encountered very few rude cops. Only had one flat out lie. When it happens though my politeness goes out the window.

Pulling you over for not wearing a seatbelt is more evidence that most cops are just revenuers. I have a friend that is a NYS Trooper, he said his superiors state there are no monthly quotas on writing tickets, but he gets reprimanded regularly for not writing enough tickets. He always replies, “I thought there were no quotas ?”

[quote=Providence Farm]

and drove off without the seat belt on.


Wow.... that sure showed em what a bad a-- you are. How brave.

You would think with all the unsolved crimes. the city county state governments, would not be telling LE their job is to provide an income . The evidence is out there. Sometimes seatbelts reduce injury sometimes they make it worse. I am unaware of any POV's with the type of harness race cars have. A seat belt only has a chance of protecting the wearer. Not other motorists or passengers. Seat belt laws are another example of over reach whose only purpose is to generate revenue.

Had one tell me that seat belts save lives and severe injuries the police and first responders don't have to contend with . Informed officer if the blood guts and gore are that tramatic find a different job maybe as a grocery checker

No pafoxman I'm no tough guy. You're just trying to project your own feelings. Im Just one of many tired of pretending the government is not out of control and noncompliance is how it starts. But in this case I was at a long light and took my seat belt off to get my phone out of my pocket to connect my blue toot ear buds so I could talk to my wife hands free and the light changed I was first in the line so took off without putting the seat belt back on.

Think your a tough guy or a cowed pud. Our founders went to war with the most powerful county in the worldover less than 10% tax. Yet adding all our taxes and fees up and you will find nearly 50% taxing. Income, sales, property, license plates, permits and fees. A government that won't control its spending and continues to pass unconstitutional law after law the Supreme Court knocks down then that gets ignored or another bs law passed that takes years to get to the top court.

Some like to bow down and be controlled, that leads to a bad place. I believe in personal freedom and responsibility. Others can't handle it.

We were born into the greatest republic the world has known. Those paying attention can see its crumbling.


For all the seat belts save life's guys. Often they do. I'm pre sure they have saved me more than one as well as my wife from ejection when she was 17. She had bark impeded in her head from the tree her car hit while it was rolling. I never claimed they don't I did point out they can also kill you and have a person example of just that.
Neither case has anything to do with its a bs law to make money and give another excuse to pull people over to miss for other things. If I die because I didn't have my sear belt on that's on me and harmed no one else. Unlike say drinking and driving that puts everyone around them in danger.

I got some good advice from an old man who liked his booze once, never give the cops an excuse to stop you. always keep all your lights working.

Give it to him PF. Tell Paxman he is prolly in debt and that you can buy more pallets of ammo than he can! Tell him you wear 5:11 underwear and that cops can just sense that they don't measure up and it makes them all nervous!

My vehicles are tagged as farm trucks so I am legally exempt from wearing a seat belt. I agree that the government has no business dictating helmets, seat belts, etc.

However, I wear a seat belt because I don't want to die or be seriously injured in a bad accident.

PF--you should do the same for your family.

For every person who died as a result of wearing a seat belt in an accident, there’s many more alive because it saved their life.

I started wearing one many years ago, after a hands on vehicle extraction class at EMT / Paramedic seminar. You got a millisecond by millisecond description of what happens to your body once it starts its trip through the windshield….snapped femurs, broken ribs, ruptured abdomen, broken neck and skull. You can’t deny physics….objects in motion will stay in motion ( Newton’s First Law of Motion ). Everyone in the vehicle who’s not restrained becomes a projectile….you could be killed by the guy in the back seat who hits you as he flys forward.

Folks may say it’s their choice…but every nursing home has folks that made that choice, and because brain injuries or paralysis, they now are dependents of Medicaid who will be responsible for their care for the rest of their lives.

The problem is the rest of us pay higher insurance rates to pay for the extensive injuries that you 'rebels' incur when not wearing your seatbelts. If it truly didnt cost me a dime when you split your melon open in a car accident, I would care less what you did. But if you think it doesnt cause the rest of us money out of pocket, you are very naive.

Good post. And, in my dream world of personal liberty (where I would still choose to wear a seat belt) there would be no Medicaid, welfare or disability checks. Zero.

People would make better choices if they actually had to be responsible for them. Or, they wouldn't and they get what they get.

Departments don't have quotas. But if all the other officers are writing 40 speeding tickets a month, and you're only writing 5 speeding tickets a month, the brass will have a problem with that.

I always wear mine. I don't want to crush my 11yr old grandson on a side impact crash. Like Bigbrownie stated objects in motion will stay in motion.

I hope you guys are passing these valuable self rights of life information on to your children.
Over 30 years of picking up pieces of other folks mistakes. I see so much wisdom in this post I wish I had known. As a child I really wanted to be a grocery checker. Having failed 9 grade algebra and lacking the ability to make correct change. I can't count past my 9 3/4 fingers.. They decided to replace me with a self checkout. Devastated I was floundering no direction in life. Someone said hey we know you drank off the garden hose. Seen you riding your bicycle and motorcycle around without a helmet. Seen you plenty of times out on river with out a pfd. Your just plain wreckless. You was caught as child playing with matches and arrested for underage drink at age 13..
We got the perfect job for you.
You can come pick these dead kids off the road for us.. Just remember that you probably going to be on camera. So please don't up set their parents.. By just pick them up with a shovel toss them in the ditch. Like you do the raccoons with no fur value.
My big regret in life.. I unknowingly past this same ability to my son.
I didn't know I damaged him as bad as I'm.


Mac

"Never Forget Which Way Is Up!"

Agreed 100%

I've seen where people don't have a license and don't get a ticket. We have the right to travel. It's a process and some b.s. but some get away with it.

You guys pee and moan about the "fishing" expeditions. Providence you stated yourself it would be different if he got a drunk driver You know how many drug bust and drunk drivers have been removed from the road due to "FISHING" pull overs? Not dimming headlights, busted tail light, NO SEAT BELT . I'm all for them. . ONE of the Biggest drug bust I have ever heard of around hear was because at 2 am a guy didn't signal when he changed lanes. 90 plus lbs of pot. 10 kilos coke, hundreds of pills, plus meth ,cash....


Providence
Why stop at wearing a seatbelt? Drive on the left side of the road. Gov mandates you drive on the right! Heck drive 20 mph over speed limit. That's another money grabbing mandate !!
You know the law
you broke it
pay the ticket.
But please stop trashing a LEO for doing his job.

Not often I totally love me an uncle Jbyrd post!!

And I vote Macthediver for president!! He always talks with such common sense it’s ridiculous! :-)

Happy trapping! ScottW

The experience could have been a bunch different.

If you were so tired that you fell asleep at the laundry, you could also have been considered "impaired" , at least in the states I am familiar with. Consider yourself lucky.. I know you ain't my first choice for who I share the road with.

Law enforcement fishing trips have also led to a whole lot of stolen money through civil asset forfeiture.

I don’t care who wears what, nor do I think it should be mandated. But if you have any respect or love for your life and family and don’t wear one, then you actually don’t have any respect or love for your family or your life. See, mine depends on me and if I can prevent a possible loss of my life or severe injury, then I feel I owe it to them. Sorta the same way I wear a safety harness while climbing, really don’t want my sons or wife finding me paralyzed or dead at the bottom of a tree.

I will tell you with 100% certainty that seatbelts do save lives because I’m still here. Do seat belts save every life? Nope, but I’ll take the odds of wearing one vs not.

I guess I disagree Scott.

This country has forgot that freedom really is and all these laws lead up to the nonsense we have to endure.

Next thing you guys will be wanting me to give up my Modern sporting rifles, concealed carry permit and suppressors.

Who wears underwear? Just one more thing to take off or wash, what's the benefit besides its what I alway have done since birth. I under stand at the beginning of life and at the end when you need diapers. But grown men?

Don't point out the logic to him. It's likely a wast of time. Sounds like someone open to reasonable gun control if it just saves one life and is more than happy to give up rights for the illusion of in and in the name of safety.

His reading compression skills also show. I never complained about getting the ticket or the cop. Just that it's another form of tax/income generation and method of fishing and attemp to justify violation of rights.

Even though I flat out said it was a good cop interaction and I'm glad I don't have the cops job. J still wants to read into what he thinks I typed instead of what I did type. It's typical. Just like all the others inability to read I normally wear my seat belt but had taken it off at a normally long light to get my phone out of my pocket and the light had changed and being in front of the line of guys wanting to leave work I went and left my seat belt off. That is pretty clear. But I get the preaching and assuming I never Weare my seat belt because some how I'm a rebel. Just another example of poor reading compression.

I care less about a ticket. It's the principle of just another excuse to make a stop that other wise would not be legal.

J a lot of criminals have walked on technically and process and rights violations. Guess you think we should get rid of the rights and process put in place to protect us as well? Who cares if I'd saves a few innocent people it will take many more criminals off the streets than innocents out of jail.

Yep. Sitting inside the laundry in the same high rise condo I stay in 2 hours after I was pulled over waiting for cloths to dry with the rhythmic sounds of the dryer running sure does make me a danger on the road. You would sound more intelligent if you asked for clarifying questions before opening moving your fingers.

He's an angry elf....

Chill out. It's not cool to attack everyone just because they don't want to whine with you.

You got some solid feedback on this thread. Listen to them (except those who are cheering for cops fishing).

I guess I can't argue with your reasoning. I think I just in-voluntarily moved one of my fingers

so you did not have a seat belt on while driving and fiddling with your phone/car bluetooth to connect? and it's the cops fault?

LEO is doing his job.

Then you turn it into how much you pay in taxes...

Classy response and expected just like the left when they have no substance or thing of value to add.

Bc how did you make it through law school?

I get your perspective for sure Steve, this is just one where I fall in the camp of wear it. What really gets me is the folks who say “I don’t wear it because I know someone who would/might have survived by not wearing it.” Nobody can reasonably deny the statistics behind seatbelts. Happy trapping! ScottW

Secondary offense here like a license plate light you can’t be stopped for it that cuts dome on the fishing BS.

Scout leader shoulda kniwn the motto-Be Prepared

Seat belts use to be like that here. Also didn't apply to trucks tell a few years after they passed the seat belt law.

For safety and saving life's the best thing would be ban privet owned vehicles and only have mass public transport. Limit gas sale amounts and amount allowed on hand per family. Only allow license people to operate
lawn equipment and other dangerous tools . Would also be good for the green movement sounds like a real win. Thinking I should txt this idea to Kamala and friends.

Poor taste.

When you dads and granddads are driving your children and grandkids around, do you tell them to buckle up?

I get what PF is saying here , seatbelt violations and the occasional licence lamp burnt out are clearly revenue generators plus officers bend rules as much as possible including breaking laws to get you a much bigger offence.

During Covid , the police here put all very minor traffic stops on pause. More serious incidents were still charged but the small stuff was dropped to minimise spread of Covid. Citizen/police favorable relationships went way up as the public didn't have the police on their backs every minute. Life was good , people were happy.

In my state we do not have a helmet law for motorcycles , just eye protection. I wear glasses so no bother for me. I wear a helmet everytime I ride. I encourage my friends to do the same and to buy a quality helmet. I am totally against helmet laws. " Let those who ride , decide " If I want to ride my bike a very short distance to visit a neighbor or something , without a helmet it is nice to not get a ticket.

Be aware , with more and more cars on the road with LED bulbs and some cars that monitor every light on your car and will tell one is burnt out , cops will find other 'reasons' like a seat belt , tinted windows or other reason to go fishing or shake you down for money.

For every story like that ones, there are also opposite ones. My mother, when I was young, hit a telephone pole doing 60mph. At impact, she was thrown into the passenger seat. The steering wheel cut the driver's seat in half. Thank God she wasn't wearing a seat belt.

About 5 years ago, I lost control of my SUV and swiped a guardrail doing 80mph. The truck rolled... I don't know how many times... I always see where someone said the car rolled X amount of times... unless someone else sees it rolling I don't see how the occupant can tell. I don't know if it rolled 2 times or 20 but I ended up 60 yards from the road when the treeline finally stopped it from rolling. During that time I was rolling with the truck, bouncing around inside it like a pinball. I ended up in the back of the SUV. I had a pretty good gash on my thigh, but other than that I was fine. They had to cut me out with the jaws of life. Again, the steering wheel and whole engine were basically in the front driver seat. I was supposed to have air bags, but they never deployed. Dang glad I wasn't wearing a seat belt that day!

Providence [/quote]

1st neither of you seem to be able to read and comprehend its in a post above.

2 it's my life and no one else's and just a method to make more money for the state at best but oft time just another excuse to use to pull people over for a fishing expedition.

3. My scout leader is dead because he could not get out of his seat belt and hung in it tell he died so they also take life's.

4 grandpa I never said anything negative other than give me the ticket and move on it's all about making more money and an excuse to pull people over and ask questions. As far as deserve a ticket you must be someone that needs the government to tell you everything to do and control every aspect of your life. I'm more of a remove warning labels and expect people to be responsible and deal with their choices and results of their actions.

You sound like someone that wants the government to control everything in his life. Pretty sad but there are all types out there. [/quote]

Number 2 I may agree with you. Concerning number 3, people that are against wearing seat belts cite a few cases in which a seat belt caused the death like somebody unable to take the belt off when the vehicle is submerging in water. However, how about the thousand and thousands of times seat belts prevented deaths and serious injuries. I read a study that Triple A said in 50% of wrecks seat belts reduced serious injuries and deaths. Show me one study or research that not wearing a seat belt is safer than wearing one. Do people get killed wearing a seat sure they do but not due to the seat belt. Thousands of people have died in wrecks being thrown out of vehicle or being crushed against the dash or being thrown out the front window. A fatal accident recently occurred near my home. Six dead bodies where laying on the road next to the overturned van they were riding in. None were wearing seat belts. Three survived in the van and stayed in the van due to all had seat belts on. Two months ago, I got rear ended hard totaling my vehicle. The seat belt stopped me from being slammed into the steering column. How about the injustice you are doing to your family if you get killed for not wearing a belt. Once you are dead it isn’t an injustice to you. Your family will have to live with it. I hope you are not telling people that get into your vehicle they don’t have to wear their belt. My vehicle doesn’t move until every passenger is buckled up.
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One thing to consider in a roll over your body weight is out of control nothing you can do to keep from slamming around in a vehicle if you’re not ejected. Now put your wife and kids in that situation with you and the dynamics change greatly small children not in safety seats is another avoidable tragedy waiting to happen.

Risking your life is a choice but consider others if you have passenger with you. Just saying

Speaking to the scout master. You say he hung until he died. How do you know he wouldn't have gotten thrown out and killed on impact.? Your "dead because of seat belt seems far but your story tell it how you want...

Yotetrapper, for every story like yours, where not wearing a seatbelt saved your life, I’m sure there are many more, probably hundreds more where wearing a seatbelt did save a life or prevent serious injury.

Last three times I've been pulled over since I've had my carry permit, they ask are you carrying today, they already have run me before even getting to the pertinent question, twice I was and then things got quiet, the polite request to keep my hands in view was added, once I was not !

I never give the officer anything to be badged over or about, not worth the time loss, don't ever understand why when one knows they are going to get a ticket they pull out the tough guy attitude, it only makes the time move slower and and more talk !!

Could have keep him from geting thrown out of the vehicle thats true but that also doesn't mean he would have been killed. Regardless he is dead.
. He lost control on ice vehicle rolled and he hung upside-down until he died. Was it a slow speed roll over like when I rolled my jeep yes would be my guess but only my guess based on the icy condition and knowing how safe he drove eveytime I have rode with him. Not every roll over is extremely violent or fatal.

Scroll up and read yotetrappers post and tell her how the seat belt would have helped her.

I normally wear my seat belt and know without them both myself and wife would not be alive from wrecks wh have had in the past. Its also hard to lead by example if im not wearing mine how can I tell the kids they need theirs.?
Now I didn't and wouldn't for several years when the law was passed because I didn't agree with the law, (still don't), my son was dead. Highest priced and rated car seat didn't help him any, and honestly I was mad at the world, cursing God, and looking for a fight anywhere I could. Along with other self destructive behaviors at the time. I was not in a good place at all. You live and learn and adapt or roll over and die.

Actually my behavior spead things along and eliminate pointless talking. Doing my civic duty keeping our income generators on task and back in place to get more tickets written instead of asking me pointless questions.

I don't care about the ticket or trying to get out of it. Give it to me and move on.

As we get used to doing what we are told the government will continue to modify our behavior by doing the thinking for us. I think coming soon will be diet restrictions for the over weight, I mean it's for the betterment of the populace after all. I fail to see the difference between the two.

Exactly and well put glad to see a hand full here get it.

Ok ok wait one more question. Hanging from a seat belt killed him? Was he trapped? Even if he fell out he must have been hurt pretty bad to die. Because sitting face down in a car seat he would have needed to hang for DAYS if that WAS CAUSE OF DEATH.


But you wear your belt. Don't I don't care. It is America. You just like everyone must obey traffic laws. You don't, you get caught that is on you. Your attitude toward LEO is on you also. Maybe JUST maybe if you had shown some common courtesy he would have given you a warning. I have been stopped 2 times in my entire life. Once in my wifes new Yukon and that vehicle will get you caught. Air bag suspension and no different feel from 60-90... Trooper was driving a Tahoe same model. I told him it was my wifes car and I never realized how fast I was driving. He said he understood. Ran my license walked back said slow it down off I went. Smile and common courtesy go long way.

When I get stopped for speeding or no seatbelt,I just tell the cop Im an old age pensioner on a fixed income with a bad memory.
Then they always let me off with a warning.

Well I get stopped more in a year than you do on your life. Probably because I drive 30k miles a year and not around small town KY and also about 50% of it light at night early morning. Times cops like to pull people over more.

I seldom get a ticket or even a warning most cops are cool even the one that gave me the ticket. But ask dumb questions don't expect the typical answer.

You don't seem to have the intellectual ability to separate my dislike for the bs fishing, dumb questions , and the law from the idea I have a problem with the cop. Even after I clearly more than once posted it was a good cop interaction and I wouldn't want his job. Naturally I don't expect you will be able to this time either.

Come talk to me when you have more experience and cop interactions in more areas before you try to lecture me. Heck I have been pulled over 4 times so far this year. Speedometer won't work when the Fuze for the door digger is pulled out because its malfunctioning and yes I was speeding faster than I thought. No tickets but I'm sure I don't know how to talk to cops. Got it fixed now but still have to watch it Speedometer Is 7 mph off due to bigger tires.



Edit. And j yes you will die if you hang upside down to long. The same as you will die if you hang in a safety harness upright. Blood gets cut off from important parts and death is a result. But I sure didn't know that along with your expert investing advice you were also doctor. Truly a man of many talents.

With your attitude your lucky you didnt get pistol whipped or the george floyd treatment,lol.

These threads remind me of the Coonman threads. Just way angrier.

Carry on.

I'm glad you like my attitude Boco really makes my day to hear it.

Are you part of the cop hating BLM movement?

I bet you will throw in with old Cameltoe Harris-I see she wants to defund the police too.

Only if you mean I think the cops have zero self respect to not go in and Crack the blm and antfa heads and instead stand down while their city's burned, patrol cars vandalized, officers attacked, and spit on while their citizens were raped, robed and assaulted. Either do their job or quit if not allowed to.

Am not really fond of the cops that stood outside the school in TX and arrested parents while kids were being killed. All of them.can rot in Canada.

God I love this place.

Some how the attitude of many Americans is one in which the government has a duty to protect them not only from foreign governments, theft, assault and murder, but also from their selves.

I dont get it and I dont like it.

Them cowards are Americans last I checked.Not Canadians.

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Well I get stopped more in a year than you do on your life. Probably because I drive 30k miles a year and not around small town KY and also about 50% of it light at night early morning. Times cops like to pull people over more.

I generally run 60 sometimes as high as 80k a year between my work truck and personal, all hours of the clock. Seldom get pulled over. It's been probably 5 years

I wear my seat belt most times, don't like an over reaching gubbemint telling me as an adult I have to. But dude figure out why you are getting pulled over so much.

LOL when I was still working I drove over 100,000 a year for work. Their vehicle. Heck I'll drive 20,000 now. But what does that matter?
If he wasn't injured why didn't he just unhook himself. Lap belt totally different than a safety harness . But I drove a jeep for 20 plus years. ONE thing I can tell you you start flipping one without a belt on and you will die or even worse be paralyzed rest of your life.
I'm not lecturing you just don't agree with your description of your actions. But like I said before that's on you ......

J I did flip my jeep and as far as I can tell I'm alive and well. Guess I could very deadiin purgatory or paralyzed and in a comma dreaming all this though. It's amazing how many just know exactly what the outcome will always be. Auto wrecks to animals shot with x gun. And they are never always correct and there are exceptions to everything even head shots.

this guy gets it!!!

LOL spot on.

Anybody talked to him recently?

How is the coonman doing these days?

no doubt. Could be the busted speedometer, big tires, no seatbelt, or fiddling with the phone trying to connect to bluetooth...

I refused to take the shot or wear a mask either. Government made that flu epidemic a disaster. We are still dealing with the economic repercussions caused by shutting everything down.

If you like having government babysit you that's your prerogative. Me, I ignore them as much as possible.

Trapping season is approaching.

Some of y'all must waste a lot of time buckling and unbuckling between set locations.

Mostly dirt roads and two tracks around my camp. We buckle the belts behind us when traveling those roads to keep the annoying dinger quiet.

Same thing when trapping down home until I come to a hard road, then I buckle up.

I hear nascar is doing away with their seat belts. One of the crash test personnel read this and don't want anyone to drown or pass from suspension affixation...

You guys that smoke do you still smoke in buildings?? Or go running screaming through the restaurant hollering anarchy anarchy !!! Gov here no smoking in buildings......
If you don't buckle up because your rights are being violated . Why not ignore ALL mandates? Grow a pair !! BE a rebel !!!

I wear a harness when in a tree stand.

Same. Nobody is going to collide with me on my farm roads. But, there are still times on those farm roads I will put it on. Same for a tractor. Brush hogging on a steep incline--I'll put on the seat belt.

You learn a lot about people on these threads. Who is reasonable, rational and who has good judgment. Who makes good choices.

Choosing to protect yourself and your family is not government control.

Blaine your first word of your last sentence says it all.

Don't take that as meaning I don't wear my seat belt.

My tractors so old it doesn't have a seat belt. I have had truck the same.

Main point you completely miss. CHOOSING to protect yourself and family is not government control your correct. BUT THIS IS GOVERNMENT MANDATED and that is the definition of government control. If you disagree please explain how I'm incorrect.


Your correct about these threads exposing how people think and reason or lack of.

FWIW They dont have seat belts in race cars. They use a harness. Completely different animal. Unlike a shoulder belt a harness wont break your neck.

What have you learned counselor? Judging other people without judging yourself?

Who's driving at those speeds to require a harness ? Do race cars have airbags ?

That said , I also don't support the mandates. Make your own decisions and then live with the consequences or enjoy the rewards.

Speaking of airbags , I cringe every time I see someone driving around with a little lap dog in their ,well, lap . Driver or passenger. If there's a bag deployment , it's going to be ugly. Quit smoking my pipe while I drove for that very reason.

Maybe instead of seat belt laws we need an intelligence test to drive.

Wouldn't hurt but won't account for mechanical failures or other things like deer.

We only need 10 laws to have a civilization. Not the thousands on the books we have

You learn a lot about people on these threads. Who is reasonable, rational and who has good judgment. Who makes good choices.


This is certainly the truth!! lol. I guess for those too independent and brave to wear a seatbelt the Darwin theory of natural selection will be validated

I'm not sure if you get news alerts for KSWO out of Lawton , but I got one a few hours ago where a 58 year old man was killed in Tillman county . Lost control in a turn , rolled and was ejected .

I agree with you on this one. The only problem, illegal immigrants aren’ t even taking a test to drive. Roads have become a lot more dangerous in the last three years.

I think the Earnhardt and petty families might disagree with that!!

Happens everyday. People not smart enough to put on their seat belts.

If that seat belt is rubbing your neck it can break it. I prefer to die rather than be paralyzed.

sounds like a constitutional violation, what if I don't want to answer questions and keep my mouth shut?

they going to charge me with a crime for not talking to the cops?

good question. if armed i will tell them. might get shot if the officer realizes you lied or gets scared cause you dont speak

In Pennsylvania you are required to answer truthfully, if they ask you. In the four or five times I’ve been pulled over while armed I’ve never been asked and I’ve never volunteered that information other than the last time when he could clearly see it laying in my briefcase because I forgot to flip the flap over before he walked up to my work truck.