I wish u were correct

Well you know I am seldom wrong.

I'm afraid I have to agree with the Canuck, here.

The move away from inpatient involuntary state run care to out patient contracted care may have been one answer to the worst abuses of institutional care but it has allowed those most in need of care to suffer and provides minimal check upon those that need continual supervision.

I'm all about zero welfare and not throwing money at the problem.

We may just be screwed on this one.

I'll admit, as I am driving to work at 6 am and they are still passed out I have thought about this scene from Apocalypse Now. At least blare the music. Maybe a paintball drive by.

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I tend to agree with Boco. And it's nearly impossible to commit someone with severe mental issues against their will.

We need to bring back asylums to house those that are too mentally ill to function in society. Family members need to be able to commit people against their wills, at least for long enough that the asylum staff can determine they do indeed need to be locked up.

Either that, or do what Danny says and help them kill themselves and I don't think society is ready for that yet.

The real problem is a societal problem and the government has proven beyond a shadow of doubt they are incapable of fixing that. Their track record actually points towards the opposite.

Yet they've proven exceptionally good at dismantling the social underpinnings that promote family and community stability.

Morals and values are the seeds of society, what u plant is what determines what you will reap

They are more free than us, no?

I'd bet 1/2 of them are NOLA hurricane transients, got a one way ride to ?.

Enslaved by poverty for most of them.
You can live very simple with much freedom but it's another thing to live poorly. My retirement plan is to live like a gypsy all across the west.

Appears so at the moment, but they aren't contributing to a free society...They are the bloodsucking undercurrent of our societal fabric.

Would have been executed long ago in a lot of countries.

So what would you do with them?

Develop a homeless insurance plan that insurance companies can make money on and they will fix it.

3 options after medical and psychiatric evaluation.

(1) If your of working age without impairment get a job within 6 wks, go back to school, join the military, or be assigned to a work camp....If these are refused....Prison.

(2) If you are here illegally, 2 yrs chain gang work camp, then deported.

(3) If you are truly impaired mentally or physically, this is the only legitimate condition for compassion, and were not talking any drug addiction, fake PTSD, obesity, or a hang nail, it has to be obviously serious to be on the govt. dole.


This will never happen because this country is to weak, and we're not though kicking ourselves in the backside yet.

Seems like my whole life growing up, wherever I pitched a tent, some guy dressed in green would come along and make me move it here or there. Or pack up all together. I don’t see why there needs to be more laws, should be plenty in place. It’s an enforcement issue as far as I can tell.

I know a guy who used to be a cop for the Federal Housing Authority on the 15th and 1st of the month they would bring in the buss and anyone unable to or unwilling to provide state or federal ID was trespassing and put in lock up they could pay the fine or plea the next day in court.

this was a strait up round up of your drug dealers and prostitutes. cheaper fine for trespassing than dealing or prostitution and much easier to prove and convict on.

if making "camping" in non designated camping areas is illegal than basically everything the housing authority did was

any actual resident of the housing project was provided a Federal housing ID

When I lived in Dayton, there was a huge homeless encampment near my my neighborhood on a bunch of scrub land on the other side of State Route 35 and another one in a woods. I used to run dogs through there a lot and saw dozens of homeless every time I did. They were mostly toilheads, people who huff toulene spay paint. They mostly had gold rings of spray paint around their noses and lips. They mostly could no longer speak coherently. They mostly stumbled around like zombies, falling often, laying wherever they fell. They were mostly pitiful living skeletons and non threatening. I could not keep metal down spouts on the front of my house and eventually gave up trying to. My next door neighbor couldn't even keep a cheap radio in his truck. He started leaving the doors unlocked and they often broke his windows anyway to get in. The recycle bins in my neighborhood were the sources of many bum fights. "Scrap metal" and petty theft seemed to be their source of income.

The city finally acquired all the vacant scrub land and woods, called it two parks, built a bike path and bulldozed every tree and bush, planted grass and kept it mowed extremely short to provide no cover for the homeless to live in.

Most homeless people would be better off dead. It's a terrible way to live due to their addictions and mental illnesses. People try to help them and the vast majority can't be helped. There's no good solution to the homeless problem.

Keith

A couple of years ago, Seattle kicked out 97 people from an encampment under an overpass. The city offered assistance to all of them, housing, counseling and, other services. Only three out of the 97 people took the city up on the offer. Most of these people choose to remain "homeless."

I think banning "camping" from public right of ways and other such places should be standard protocol everywhere.