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Re: Olympic Women's Boxing ....
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There's some beautiful French Canadian women who look like they have Buckwheat in a headlock. Keith This statement seems racist !!! 
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Re: Olympic Women's Boxing ....
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Is there any videos of these beat downs?Or was it already posted and I missed it.
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Re: Olympic Women's Boxing ....
[Re: Nessmuck]
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kinda hard to find because of copy right deleted video link since it was restricted from sharing apparently.
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Re: Olympic Women's Boxing ....
[Re: Nessmuck]
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I have never watched the summer Olympics, did used to watch the winter Olympics some but it has been a long time. I did look up and watch the fight where the Algerian "beat down" the whiny Italian. Now I'm dead set against transgenders participating in womens sports, but in this case it is hard to say what is going on. We know from all reports Imane Khelif was born with female genitalia and has always claimed to be a woman. And unlike many Western countries Algeria does not legally allow anyone to change their legal sex, in other words what you are on your birth certificate is what you are legally. She has competed as a woman for years, and lost quite a few fights to women, so she obviously isn't unbeatable by women. In fact she competed in the 2020 Olympics and lost out in the semifinals, and has a 9-5 record as a professional (remember when you couldn't compete in the Olympics if you were a pro?) The Olympic committees sole criteria as to what sex you are to compete is what your passport says, which is a joke. They test for drugs, steroids, and even for illegally taking testosterone shots; yet we can't test for what sex they are? The Russians DQed her in 2023, as well as the Tiawanese boxer who Danny posted a pic of (and definitely looks mannish) but refuse to state how they tested them. The Russian IBA is well known for corruption, so their refusing to state what their criteria for DQing them is problematic. They have stated that Khelif was XY genetically, then they retracted that statement. I tend to suspect that she may test XY genetically, simply because I haven't found anywhere that is reporting she denies that she is XY.
Frankly, I think they want this to be a big controversy, because they could do a simple test (a drop your drawers test wouldn't necessarily preclude those who have been surgically changed, but you can't change your genetics) just like they do for everything else, before the games start and there wouldn't be a controversy.
Oh and I watched that "beat down", frankly I think the Italian was a whiny wuss. She wasn't hit that hard, she was never rocked back a single step by a punch, yet she claimed she had never been hit so hard in her life and quit cold, 46 seconds in. I'm sorry, if you make it to the Olympics as a boxer, you better expect to get hit, and hard. I have not watched the Tiawan fight, so can't speak to that fight and whether it was a beat down. But the Khelif fight looks like a setup to me, if the Italian isn't a total wuss, she threw the fight.
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Re: Olympic Women's Boxing ....
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08/03/24 11:50 PM
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I have never watched the summer Olympics, did used to watch the winter Olympics some but it has been a long time. I did look up and watch the fight where the Algerian "beat down" the whiny Italian. Now I'm dead set against transgenders participating in womens sports, but in this case it is hard to say what is going on. We know from all reports Imane Khelif was born with female genitalia and has always claimed to be a woman. And unlike many Western countries Algeria does not legally allow anyone to change their legal sex, in other words what you are on your birth certificate is what you are legally. She has competed as a woman for years, and lost quite a few fights to women, so she obviously isn't unbeatable by women. In fact she competed in the 2020 Olympics and lost out in the semifinals, and has a 9-5 record as a professional (remember when you couldn't compete in the Olympics if you were a pro?) The Olympic committees sole criteria as to what sex you are to compete is what your passport says, which is a joke. They test for drugs, steroids, and even for illegally taking testosterone shots; yet we can't test for what sex they are? The Russians DQed her in 2023, as well as the Tiawanese boxer who Danny posted a pic of (and definitely looks mannish) but refuse to state how they tested them. The Russian IBA is well known for corruption, so their refusing to state what their criteria for DQing them is problematic. They have stated that Khelif was XY genetically, then they retracted that statement. I tend to suspect that she may test XY genetically, simply because I haven't found anywhere that is reporting she denies that she is XY.
Frankly, I think they want this to be a big controversy, because they could do a simple test (a drop your drawers test wouldn't necessarily preclude those who have been surgically changed, but you can't change your genetics) just like they do for everything else, before the games start and there wouldn't be a controversy.
Oh and I watched that "beat down", frankly I think the Italian was a whiny wuss. She wasn't hit that hard, she was never rocked back a single step by a punch, yet she claimed she had never been hit so hard in her life and quit cold, 46 seconds in. I'm sorry, if you make it to the Olympics as a boxer, you better expect to get hit, and hard. I have not watched the Tiawan fight, so can't speak to that fight and whether it was a beat down. But the Khelif fight looks like a setup to me, if the Italian isn't a total wuss, she threw the fight. Very well expressed and much better than what I tried to do earlier. I am curious Keith where you found out that specific information on Imane.... or were you merely stating medically what the sexual condition of hermaphrodite humans are?
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Re: Olympic Women's Boxing ....
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08/04/24 09:12 AM
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Or a deformed woman who has testes that never matured. Mentioned that "it" was born with a vagina, not a penis.
No matter, the person is not transgender nor gaming the system, and playing by the rules that exist.
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Re: Olympic Women's Boxing ....
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08/04/24 01:34 PM
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Or a deformed woman who has testes that never matured. Mentioned that "it" was born with a vagina, not a penis.
No matter, the person is not transgender nor gaming the system, and playing by the rules that exist.
Carl, if the testes did not mature, there would be no issue, because there would not be enough testosterone to have been over the approved female limit, so we know the testicles matured. I agree he is not a transgender man, but he is not a woman either, so therefore should not be allowed to fight as one. He got a bad deal from his development. It's not his fault. It's definitely not the real female boxers' fault either and they should not have to suffer from his misfortune. Keith
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Re: Olympic Women's Boxing ....
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08/04/24 02:04 PM
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Keith, I wonder why you insist that the person in question be referred to as a "man"? Born with vagina, not a penis. Would pass the Crocodile Dundee test for being female is my understanding. And just as men have some small amount of estrogen, women also have small amounts of testosterone. It isn't just testes that produce the stuff.
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Re: Olympic Women's Boxing ....
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I was going to let Keith have the last word on this....but what the heck: Hypothetically (since neither of us really know) Imane has internal testicles which account for a higher than normal level of testosterone, but what if she also has a uterus and ovaries? This is plausible because this condition can and does exist in hermaphroditical individuals. Then can you really say that the individual is a man? Why not a woman? Why not both?
And finally, I would be pleased if the Olympic committee would address the issue one way or the other. If an individual has a clear advantage because of their naturally occurring hormone levels that should probably disqualify them from competition.
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