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Re: Butchered some Goats [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #8192728
08/09/24 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by GREENCOUNTYPETE
if you have to stand their for 5 hours , you're not getting paid for that

if you had a space away from your barns and shop and house they could work maybe if they paid something to use that space or paid enough for the goat in the first place.

interesting they wouldn't cut the throats themselves.



I posted on a bunch of the crazy and often disgusting Muslim beliefs last year. Getting blood on you, while slitting a throat is haram, because blood is haram, so they try to get someone else to do it.

They say "Bismillahi-Allahu Akbar”, which translates as in the name of Allah the greatest.

Much of Islam is Middle Age rules about not getting dirty.

Keith

Re: Butchered some Goats [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8192733
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Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
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If you consider your time to have value, like most people do, it really cut into your hourly profit margin. They'll be begging you from now on to let them do it again. They are not ashamed of theft either, if they know you're gone.

Keith


Fridays are my "off day". Normally I do estimates all day but I had done them earlier this week while the crew did a job they didn't need me on. I did one emergency job this morning then the Goats, I mostly sat in the house and watched them out the window. If they come back to steal stuff they will stick out like a sore thumb.

At one point my extremely friendly lab snuck out the door without me noticing, I heard a bunch of screaming and they were huddling together yelling at the dog. If you want to keep them away I think most any large dog will do it.


When they're here. I make sure they see my Kangals and other LGDs. Muslims are scared of dog saliva, it's haram. If they don't do a penance after contact with dog saliva, they believe they are doomed.

The low class Muslims that we are being flooded with are terrible people. There are okay Muslims, but we get comparatively few now. We are getting their rejects, that other Muslims won't let into their countries, because they know how they are. Its going to get must worse. Britain is being destroyed by them.

Keith

Re: Butchered some Goats [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8192735
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My question is regarding tahara after contact with dogs. I have 2 dogs to protect my business. One is young and still requires training. During training I come into frequent contact with the dog.1. I understand that if contact is made with its saliva I must wash 7 times. Is sand acceptable?2. If contact is made with the dog when its fur is wet or my hand is wet does this require the same type of tahara as above?3. If the dog splashes water at me either from its fur or from the ground does this require tahara as well?

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All perfect praise be to Allah, The Lord of the Worlds. I testify that there is none worthy of worship except Allah, and that Muhammad sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ) is His slave and Messenger.

Scholars are not agreed over the ruling regarding the saliva and hair of dogs. The prevailing opinion is that its saliva is impure based upon evidence that the Prophet sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ) ordered washing of recipients which were licked or lapped by a dog. Since there is no evidence establishing the impurity of the fur or hair of the dog, then it is considered pure.

So, if some saliva of the dog touches you, you should remove it, as it is impure. But the scholars have two different opinions regarding how to remove this impurity. Some believe that it should be washed seven times, the same as in the case of licking someone. Other scholars believe that it could be washed as any other impurity; i.e., till removed completely (once, twice, …..).

So, you have the choice to do one or the other.

On the other hand, touching the fur of the dog, whether it is wet or dry, does not require you to wash as the fur of the dog is pure.

Allah knows best."

Keith

Re: Butchered some Goats [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8192736
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I am a 17 years old (Arabic and Muslim) I live in U.S.A with my dad. So here I have to eat American food such as chicken and meat, but it is American, but I don't want to eat them. My father forces me to eat and I think they are not Halal foods, so please tell me what do you think. And I really appreciate it.

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All perfect praise be to Allah, The Lord of the Worlds. I testify that there is none worthy of worship except Allah, and that Muhammad sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ) is His slave and Messenger.

Allah has permitted His Slaves goodness from their fortune, and He has ordered them to seek goodness in their food, drink and all their affairs.

He has also made it permissible for them to eat animals that are slaughtered according to the Islamic rites and prohibited for them what is beyond that, as Allah Says (what means): {Prohibited to you are dead animals, blood, the flesh of swine, and that which has been dedicated to other than Allah, and [those animals] killed by strangling or by a violent blow or by a head-long fall or by the goring of horns, and those from which a wild animal has eaten, except what you [are able to] slaughter [before its death], and those which are sacrificed on stone altars, and [prohibited is] that you seek decision through divining arrows. That is grave disobedience...} [Quran 5:3]

Furthermore, Allah has prohibited them against consuming anything which has been slaughtered without the name of Allah being mentioned during the slaughtering process, and He has mentioned it as a sin and disobedience of Allah as He Says (what means): {And do not eat of that upon which the name of Allah has not been mentioned, for indeed, it is grave disobedience.} [Quran 6:121]

Therefore, so long as the animal is slaughtered by Muslims or People of the Book and there is no possibility of them killing the animal or using any other way which would make the animal not lawful (Haram), then it is permissible to eat it; however, if there is a possibility that it is not slaughtered according to Islamic rites, then it is not permissible to eat.

The same ruling applies for a place or a country where it is widely held by its people do not slaughter according to Islamic rites, in which case, it is also not permissible to eat it, since indeed the lawful is more sufficient and abounding to the Muslim than what is unlawful.

Allah knows best."

Keith

Re: Butchered some Goats [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8192737
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you know if they were willing to pay , I got no issue with cutting throats

you got the money honey I go the time.

only thing is that smell is hard to get out of your nose.

this is why I skin.

100 for your first hour one hour minimum , buck a minute after that , ask all the questions you want I start answering them when the clock starts my hour.


America only has one issue, we have a Responsibility crisis and everything else stems from it.
Re: Butchered some Goats [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8192738
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Aselamu Aleykum I am from Ethiopia. where I am from, Christians slaughter animals in the name of "God, the Son and the Spirit" or "in the name of the Three" and once a friend told me that Christians today are not the same as in the time of the Prophet (PBUH) and it is forbidden to eat meat from what they slaughtered. as mentioned in the Qur'an "it is lawful to eat the peoples of the books " also "it is fore bidden to eat food Allah's name not mentioned". so, how do we correct this issue. I am confusing what to decide.

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All perfect praise be to Allah, The Lord of the Worlds. I testify that there is none worthy of worship except Allah, and that Muhammad sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ) is His slave and Messenger.

The basic ruling regarding the slaughtered animals of the People of the Book - the Jews and the Christians - is that they are lawful (halal), as Allah the Almighty says (what means): {This day [all] good foods have been made lawful, and the food of those who were given the Scripture is lawful for you and your food is lawful for them.} [Quran 5:5]. However, if the People of the Book did something that necessitates its prohibition when slaughtering it, then it is not permissible for a Muslim to eat from the slaughtered animal. There are two things that necessitate the prohibition from eating from their slaughtered animal:

First: If the animal was slaughtered in other than the name of Allah, such as slaughtering in the name of Christ or his mother, then it is forbidden as Allah the Almighty says (what means): {Prohibited to you are dead animals, blood, the flesh of swine, and that which has been dedicated to other than Allah.} [Quran 5:3] The view that meat slaughtered in this case is forbidden is the opinion that we adopt here at Islamweb, as it is the view of a group of the Companions. Ash-Shawkani, may Allaah have mercy upon him, said in Fat'h Al-Qadeer:

"'Ali may Allaah be pleased with him 'Aaishah may Allaah be pleased with her and Ibn 'Umar may Allaah be pleased with him said: “If you hear a non-Muslim from among the People of the Book dedicating to other than Allah, then do not eat.” It is the opinion of Tawoos and Al-Hassan, and they stick to Allah the Almighty's saying: {And do not eat of that upon which the name of Allah has not been mentioned, for indeed, it is grave disobedience.}[Quran6:121] It is also indicated in the verse, {and that which has been dedicated to other than Allah.}[Quran 5:3]. Malik may Allaah have mercy upon him said: “It is disliked and not forbidden." However, this disagreement is when we know that the People of the Book mentioned a name other than Allah's name when slaughtering their animals. But if we don't know whether they mentioned Allah's name or not, then At-Tabari and Ibn Katheer may Allaah have mercy upon them reported that there is a unanimous agreement on its permissibility based on this verse.”

Second: To slaughter the animal by shooting or electrocuting it - as most Christians do today in Europe - and not slaughtering it according to Sharee'ah. If they applied this way in slaughtering the animal until it dies, then it will be considered as being killed by a violent blow and it is not permissible to eat it. If there is a doubt about whether the animal was slaughtered according to Sharee'ah or not, it can't be eaten either, because the basic principle in meats is prohibition, nothing of it is permissible except when they certainly have been slaughtered according to Sharee'ah which makes it permissible. Therefore, it is questionable whether the slaughter was done according to the Sharee’ah in this meat, so it remains forbidden because it is well known from their habit or the habit of most of them, as we mentioned, slaughtering by suffocation, shooting the head with bullets, or electrocution.

Allah knows best."

Re: Butchered some Goats [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8192750
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This is why I raise pigs. I do get a few foreigners buying a few hogs every now and then but I haven't had any issues. Normally they just have their kids hold the live 40-80 lbs hog in the back seat! I had a Romainian fella buy a fat hog last year and slaughter it on the farm "just like the old country". Went well and will see him again next December.


Re: Butchered some Goats [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8192752
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By the way, if your lab is black, Muslims are commanded to kill it.

"Aa’ishah may Allaah be pleased with him narrated that the Prophet sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ) said, “There are five harmful creatures that should be killed even if one is in the state of Ihraam (ritual state assumed for Hajj or 'Umrah): a snake, a speckled crow, a rat, a voracious dog, and a kite.” [Al-Bukhari and Muslim]

Moreover, the Prophet sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ) said, “If dogs were not a nation among nations, then I would have commanded that they be killed. So kill any all-black dog.” [Abu Daawood, at-Tirmithi, An-Nasaa’i and Ibn Maajah]"

Keith

Re: Butchered some Goats [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8192760
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Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Originally Posted by KeithC


If you consider your time to have value, like most people do, it really cut into your hourly profit margin. They'll be begging you from now on to let them do it again. They are not ashamed of theft either, if they know you're gone.

Keith


Fridays are my "off day". Normally I do estimates all day but I had done them earlier this week while the crew did a job they didn't need me on. I did one emergency job this morning then the Goats, I mostly sat in the house and watched them out the window. If they come back to steal stuff they will stick out like a sore thumb.

At one point my extremely friendly lab snuck out the door without me noticing, I heard a bunch of screaming and they were huddling together yelling at the dog. If you want to keep them away I think most any large dog will do it.

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Re: Butchered some Goats [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8192767
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That culture doesn’t belong here. It’s the reason why I sold all my goats and got away from them. The only people that want to buy them are Africans.

I told them no butchering on my property and they still showed up in a mini van with their machetes. Filth of the world!

Get off my lawn!


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Re: Butchered some Goats [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8192887
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I remember a Pilipino Doctor buying a goat from us and we killed/gutted the goat and put it in the trunk of his car.

Re: Butchered some Goats [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8192909
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I don't think they were Muslims, pretty sure Nigerian Christans. They didn't say any weird blessings over the kill and the guys wife came and she was definitely not in any sort of Muslim garb. The men wore button up collared shirts and looked like they were heading to a church baptism at the beach.

Re: Butchered some Goats [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8193321
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When we had goats and chickens and hogs and Pheasants. We had lots of people come and get animals. I wouldn't let them do anything. They try take advantage of people. When they asked it was a hard NO.

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They will probably live to be 120 years old

Re: Butchered some Goats [Re: Vinke] #8194501
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Originally Posted by Vinke
MAGGOT's are good protein......

Fixed it!


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Re: Butchered some Goats [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8194514
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Dang. I would have assumed that if they said "can we butcher there", that they meant "can we slaughter there". When I buy a pig from a family at church, i shoot it and bleed it, but that's it.

Re: Butchered some Goats [Re: loosegoose] #8194537
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Originally Posted by loosegoose
Dang. I would have assumed that if they said "can we butcher there", that they meant "can we slaughter there". When I buy a pig from a family at church, i shoot it and bleed it, but that's it.

I'm with you !
Shoot it with a 22 put a cork in the hole and put it in the trunk.
Take it home and do the dirty work.
Maybe they are afraid of others in their flock stealing the goods.
Whatever, cash for the goat and 1 round ...... bye bye.

Re: Butchered some Goats [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8194539
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... keep better for 90 mins anyway.
Seen where some folks leave a shot n lost dead deer lay a day or 2 (texas) and claim its still good.when ya find it.
And, thay wantn them guts too !

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