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Re: North American Non-Lead Partnership [Re: TC1] #8195944
08/14/24 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by TC1
We can agree to disagree and both be ok. I respect your thoughts, but still don’t buy the lead bs lock stock and barrel. I don’t see skeet and trap courses loaded with dead and dying birds or mammals and the concentration of lead there is massive…. And much more easily accessed. My .02. Back to work fellas.


I believe it’s more about them eating it from the critters they consume.


Stop over cooking your meat! It isn’t gamey, it’s over cooked!

Gordon Ramsey, maybe…
Re: North American Non-Lead Partnership [Re: KeithC] #8195957
08/14/24 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by KeithC
https:// Copper may be less toxic than lead for people. We need some copper in our systems to live. It is more toxic for many other species. Keith


When I was working screw machines, I had an allergic skin reaction to raw copper.


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Re: North American Non-Lead Partnership [Re: DelawareRob] #8196009
08/14/24 05:46 PM
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Did anyone really believe that a ban on lead would end with waterfowl?

Re: North American Non-Lead Partnership [Re: Rat_Pack] #8196020
08/14/24 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Rat_Pack
Did anyone really believe that a ban on lead would end with waterfowl?


After nearly 40 years, I had hoped so lol

Re: North American Non-Lead Partnership [Re: DelawareRob] #8196026
08/14/24 06:16 PM
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The only ducks and geese that ever died from lead poison were those where lead penetrated their feathers. The rest are all made up feel good stories for those who want to ban duck and goose hunting. Duck and goose hunting has become a sport for the rich or those in debt. 40 to 70 bucks for 25 rounds to go duck hunting? Naw! And they wonder why there is a huge drop in waterfowl hunters. Same thing will happen to doves when they make "nontoxic" shot the only thing you can use. Probably want to make the same Regs for skeet shooters. After all, all those raptors, ducks, geese and doves hang out around those places too. Just my 2 cents!

Re: North American Non-Lead Partnership [Re: WhiteCliffs] #8196032
08/14/24 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by WhiteCliffs
I have recovered a number of dead bald eagles that the necropsy showed cause of death to be lead poisoning

Love how when these type of posts happen people will just brush over these responses


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Re: North American Non-Lead Partnership [Re: DelawareRob] #8196034
08/14/24 06:35 PM
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Lead is old news. Diving ducks definitely ingest lead. Cut a gizzard open of a diver on the northern flight. Full of bb’s
As far as lead on upland game. I see no reason for it.

Steel is faster but lead has greater impact farther out.

As far as eagles dying from lead?? DDT was a bigger killer IMO.

Re: North American Non-Lead Partnership [Re: Wolfdog91] #8196038
08/14/24 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Wolfdog91
Originally Posted by WhiteCliffs
I have recovered a number of dead bald eagles that the necropsy showed cause of death to be lead poisoning

Love how when these type of posts happen people will just brush over these responses


Some of the "posters" are ill informed. True fact that lead poisoning has effected mostly Waterfowl and Raptors because of non retrieved birds due to poor shooting ability or no effort to find them. If hunters LEARNED to shoot steel properly, there possibly wouldn't be such losses. It is a "learning curve" from shooting lead but can be achieved with a little practice. Consistent kills at 40+ yds using 2 3/4 > 3" steel is quite common.


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Re: North American Non-Lead Partnership [Re: DelawareRob] #8196049
08/14/24 07:14 PM
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I have seen studies of lead poisoning. They fed penned ducks grain with lead shot mixed in, the ducks had more than one piece of shot in their gizzard and lived. They kept feeding grain and shot mix and guess what, it killed them. I have shot hundreds of ducks a year and never seen lead shot in a gizzard. Yes I save them. I think farming chemicals is way harder on wildlife and fish.


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Re: North American Non-Lead Partnership [Re: DelawareRob] #8196067
08/14/24 07:41 PM
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SJA. Steel is a learning curve. I like steel shot for waterfowl once I learned how to use it. Lead over water has been outlawed for years now for waterfowl.

I use steel only. Don’t want to take the chance of having it mixed in.

Re: North American Non-Lead Partnership [Re: DelawareRob] #8196070
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Re: North American Non-Lead Partnership [Re: DelawareRob] #8196104
08/14/24 08:41 PM
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A few dead eagles isn't a good enough reason to ban all lead ammo. Birds of prey probably kill more ducks and upland birds than lead poisoning.

Re: North American Non-Lead Partnership [Re: tlguy] #8196116
08/14/24 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by tlguy
A few dead eagles isn't a good enough reason to ban all lead ammo. Birds of prey probably kill more ducks and upland birds than lead poisoning.


No, bad hunters and fishermen contribute to more wildlife suffrage and death in most species than any other predator. :-(


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Re: North American Non-Lead Partnership [Re: SJA] #8196159
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Originally Posted by SJA
Originally Posted by tlguy
A few dead eagles isn't a good enough reason to ban all lead ammo. Birds of prey probably kill more ducks and upland birds than lead poisoning.


No, bad hunters and fishermen contribute to more wildlife suffrage and death in most species than any other predator. :-(

Automobiles contribute to way more wildlife suffrage and death than hunters ever come close to.

Re: North American Non-Lead Partnership [Re: Wolfdog91] #8196163
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Originally Posted by Wolfdog91
Originally Posted by WhiteCliffs
I have recovered a number of dead bald eagles that the necropsy showed cause of death to be lead poisoning

Love how when these type of posts happen people will just brush over these responses



Because it's well know 800fps plus lead kills things.

Re: North American Non-Lead Partnership [Re: SJA] #8196199
08/14/24 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by SJA
Originally Posted by tlguy
A few dead eagles isn't a good enough reason to ban all lead ammo. Birds of prey probably kill more ducks and upland birds than lead poisoning.


No, bad hunters and fishermen contribute to more wildlife suffrage and death in most species than any other predator. :-(



This is a made up lie. If it is indeed fact, please site sources…This is the e BS that we all dislike..


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Re: North American Non-Lead Partnership [Re: Wolfdog91] #8196243
08/15/24 12:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Wolfdog91
Originally Posted by WhiteCliffs
I have recovered a number of dead bald eagles that the necropsy showed cause of death to be lead poisoning

Love how when these type of posts happen people will just brush over these responses


Is there a shortage of eagles? I even see them here occasionally. As far as other raptors, they are everywhere. Can't hardly drive more than a few miles without seeing one in a tree around here.

Re: North American Non-Lead Partnership [Re: DelawareRob] #8196307
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Is there a shortage of eagles


Absolutely not


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Re: North American Non-Lead Partnership [Re: MJM] #8196333
08/15/24 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by MJM
I have seen studies of lead poisoning. They fed penned ducks grain with lead shot mixed in, the ducks had more than one piece of shot in their gizzard and lived. They kept feeding grain and shot mix and guess what, it killed them. I have shot hundreds of ducks a year and never seen lead shot in a gizzard. Yes I save them. I think farming chemicals is way harder on wildlife and fish.

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