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Re: Price controls on food [Re: Scout1] #8198511
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Originally Posted by Scout1
Fuel prices pretty much a direct price result on everything. Lower fuel costs lowers cost on just about everything. It cost to get a product from point A to B.


Don't forget to add in mandatory higher minimum wages.

Fuel prices can be brought down.

Good luck bringing minimum wage back down.

Amazing how Mr. "pay them more" didn't see how falling seas grounds all ships.

Bottom line.....Politicians blame everything on something else rather than themselves. And the majority of Americans fall for their babble and the media plays the flute right along with them.


How many lies will people believe before they realize their own idiocy?
Re: Price controls on food [Re: bowhunter27295] #8198518
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Part of inflation is due to interest rates. Big business doesn't use their own money. It is almost always borrowed money. They pass on the expense to the end user. Many other factors involved including increased wages and labor shortage.

Re: Price controls on food [Re: WI Outdoors] #8198620
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Originally Posted by WI Outdoors
Originally Posted by Scout1
Fuel prices pretty much a direct price result on everything. Lower fuel costs lowers cost on just about everything. It cost to get a product from point A to B.

Yeah, ok

So, fuel prices don’t effect consumer prices on anything?


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Re: Price controls on food [Re: Scout1] #8198623
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Yes, but it's one spoke in the wheel.
Speaking of price control, how about rent caps?
I'm sure there's some of you on here that have rentals and are well aware of the rules governing rent increases.
In the peoples Republic of Chinafornia insurance rates have skyrocketed in the last 5 years. Mine went from 1800 to 4200 in three years. I no longer own property in California but my dad has rentals that he cannot raise the rent more than 5% per year, yet his insurance doubled in one year from 7k to 14k. So basically he has a million dollars tied up in property that is barely making a profit. Poverty level income. Of course there will be people who point out that he is in a much better position than the people renting from him, but as this becomes a cycle rental property will diminish because there is no profit to be had, so those buildings will lose value, and the once tried and true investment will no longer be profitable, leading to more rental shortages.

Re: Price controls on food [Re: bowhunter27295] #8198625
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No profit = no products = no food or empty shelves grocery stores operate on about a 1.6 % margin Harris is a flat out communist Stalin would be proud

Re: Price controls on food [Re: bowhunter27295] #8198697
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The same Communists who pulled all of the puppet strings on Obama and now Biden, are pulling the puppet strings on Harris.
Those mystery puppeteers caused the prices to skyrocket. Now they are proposing Socialist measures to make stupid voters think that they care. They may well succeed. You can't fix stupid and there are too many of them these days.

Re: Price controls on food [Re: 52Carl] #8198705
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Originally Posted by 52Carl
The same Communists who pulled all of the puppet strings on Obama and now Biden, are pulling the puppet strings on Harris.
Those mystery puppeteers caused the prices to skyrocket. Now they are proposing Socialist measures to make stupid voters think that they care. They may well succeed. You can't fix stupid and there are too many of them these days.


One thing is commodities, such as grains and meat are coming down from over production so the food prices will start to reflect it and that won't bode well for people pushing price control on food.

Re: Price controls on food [Re: bowhunter27295] #8199178
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Price of corn (food) is higher due to government mandated and subsidized ethanol industry. Winners and losers ; it is what the uniparty is all about.


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Re: Price controls on food [Re: bowhunter27295] #8199181
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Prices going up isn't necessarily inflation. If governments don't inject artificial amounts of currency into the money supply through QE, and artificially low rates there isn't enough money to pay the prices. When there isn't enough money floating around demand drops lowering prices. When prices are lowered that is called deflation. Deflation the mortal enemy of a debt backed society


"Gold is money, everything else is just credit" JP Morgan
Re: Price controls on food [Re: bowhunter27295] #8199182
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Price controls only lead to shortages


"Gold is money, everything else is just credit" JP Morgan
Re: Price controls on food [Re: bowhunter27295] #8199188
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Increasing prices is one of the definitions of inflation ?


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Re: Price controls on food [Re: bowhunter27295] #8199194
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“Consumers don't produce inflation. Producers don't produce inflation. Inflation is produced only by too much government spending and too much government creation of money, and nothing else.”
— Milton Friedman


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Re: Price controls on food [Re: bowhunter27295] #8199221
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I follow Friedman. Hayek, and Mises logic.

Modern economists make it up to aid and abet the free spending gubbemints


"Gold is money, everything else is just credit" JP Morgan
Re: Price controls on food [Re: bowhunter27295] #8199227
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Charles Payne, to me, is among the most brilliant minds on anything math...from the stock market , to input on the economy.

I saw him in an interview recently. He said the same and explained it so anyone could understand. Especially myself, with the weakness I have in math... but still appreciating it from a distance.

When the government messes everything up with reckless spending, ( like chimps attempting to operate a nuclear plant ) , prices go nothing but up, up, up. Inflation explodes even more , and business can even go out of service.

Needless to say, Charles is up there with the most impeccably dressed men alive.

Re: Price controls on food [Re: Steven 49er] #8199241
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Originally Posted by Steven 49er
I follow Friedman. Hayek, and Mises logic.

Modern economists make it up to aid and abet the free spending gubbemints



Gotta add Frederic Bastiat to that list. As much for economics as for the law..........even if he was French laugh


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Re: Price controls on food [Re: bowhunter27295] #8199244
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Very unlikely there will be cost controls put on food items. Over the past 7 or so decades farm subsidies have been the political options to provide adquate and afforable food supplies. Farm subsidies allow in many cases for producers to produce commodities at below the cost of production so they can continue to produce commodities and this also keeps supplies adequate and in general prices lower. Subsidies are not supported by all but they are utilized by producers and the subsidies come in many forms or varieties. In todays political environment it is mostly Democrats that push hard for the SNAP programs ( providing food for those that get benefits due to lower incomes) ; and the Republicans push hard for the agriculture commodity subsidies. There have been many modifications to the farm subsidy program over the years. Each farm bill runs for 5 years and almost everyone has been completed 1-2 years past the deadline. The last several bills have been moving more to subsidizing crop insurance or production insurance instead of direct sulbsidies on the commodities. This can cause periods of lower payments when production is good and prices are above set levels. Also many private sector insurance companies provide the insurance and manpower to write the policies. This helps move some of this out of government and into the private sector. With the last bills always moving for less direct market manipulation I don't see setting food prices as where most politicians want to go now. It is a major expenditure, probably costing 200 billion per year for each of the 5 years of the specific bill.

Re: Price controls on food [Re: bowhunter27295] #8199247
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Interesting you would post on the subject of subsidies immediately after I mention Bastiat. He had a lot to say about subsidies and very little of it was good.
Here is a taste of his thinking on politics, subsidies, and law.

" Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all. We disapprove of state education. Then the socialists say that we are opposed to any education. We object to a state religion. Then the socialists say that we want no religion at all. We object to a state-enforced equality. Then they say that we are against equality. And so on, and so on. It is as if the socialists were to accuse us of not wanting persons to eat because we do not want the state to raise grain.

I do not dispute their right to invent social combinations, to advertise them, to advocate them, and to try them upon themselves, at their own expense and risk. But I do dispute their right to impose these plans upon us by law – by force – and to compel us to pay for them with our taxes."


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Re: Price controls on food [Re: yotetrapper30] #8199253
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Originally Posted by yotetrapper30
Originally Posted by danny clifton
The problem is government spending. Everytime they print money a dollar is worth less. Fuel prices don't help. Its not the driver. Trump cant talk about spending as he was onboard with stimulus and increasing unemployment. Covid was a scam. Bad flu but the badness was exaggerated. Flu epidemics happen time to time and people die. This was made worse.


Agreed. If there was a viable conservative candidate that was fiscally conservative as well, I would vote for them in a heartbeat over Trump. Unfortunately that's not the case.

In Trump's defense, he was waging a reelection campaign and a good percentage of his voters were little ol blue haired men and women that were freaking out about COVID.

I got the distinct idea that Trump felt Covid was nothing but a cold, but ultimately folded to outside pressure. Fauci

That's concerning, but he's still the best we've got.

Trump had a heck of a lot more on his mind , and like every business man/owner they rely on information from their underlings ,Fauci was a democrat plant , who was involved with Obama and the Wuhan Lab where it came from.
Fauci was the Former National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases Director, so Trump almost had to follow what he said.
How was Trump to know anything about what Fauci was involved in?
Read this ! https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...ovid-congressional-investigation-so-far/

How many remember that the Chinese people were revolting against the Chinese government just weeks before COVID 19 broke out?
Makes me wonder just how much Obama , Fauci , and democrats are tied to the Chinese government.
Don't forget the ties that Biden and Hunter has with them.
I some times wonder what kind of ties THE BILLIONARE LeBron James has with China?
He's as anti American as they come.


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Re: Price controls on food [Re: bowhunter27295] #8199255
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we don't eat nearly enough soup in this country

biscuits and soup make a lot of sense and you can make it very cheap

since a hundred years ago they were working on selling everyone the idea that you should buy store bought foods , breads, and other packaged or convenience foods even corn bread mix rather than just corn meal and flour.

simplify and convenience everything until it happened , the majority of the population has no idea how to cook , they can read instructions off a box and re-heat but basic cooking skills are mostly lost.
many people who get take and bake or heat and eat everything.

ask someone in the isle at the store their recipe for pancakes ,I would guess >90% they start by telling you their preferred box mix.


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Re: Price controls on food [Re: white17] #8199256
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Originally Posted by white17
Interesting you would post on the subject of subsidies immediately after I mention Bastiat. He had a lot to say about subsidies and very little of it was good.
Here is a taste of his thinking on politics, subsidies, and law.

" Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all. We disapprove of state education. Then the socialists say that we are opposed to any education. We object to a state religion. Then the socialists say that we want no religion at all. We object to a state-enforced equality. Then they say that we are against equality. And so on, and so on. It is as if the socialists were to accuse us of not wanting persons to eat because we do not want the state to raise grain.

I do not dispute their right to invent social combinations, to advertise them, to advocate them, and to try them upon themselves, at their own expense and risk. But I do dispute their right to impose these plans upon us by law – by force – and to compel us to pay for them with our taxes."


So much truth to this post!
They aren't giving the people a choice, by design .


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