Ancient snares
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08/20/24 08:16 AM
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Does anyone here know more about the desgin features and setting of ancient snares like these: An inuit snare, likely for trapping ground squirrels. The cortage is made of hide, the tubes of wood. The website also says baleen, but does not detail which part of the snare is made of baleen. The longer piece of wood is 7,5 cm (3") long. Descriptions: "Snare made for trapping small animals. This task was usually for women and children. Bone tube was used to keep the line from tangling. (Phebus, 46) Marmot skins were highly prized for making summer clothing (Nelson, 124). Snare for trapping small animals, especially marmot (ground squirrel). -Used in Alaskan exhibit 1 and 2" "Inuit snare made of wood and baleen. Used for hunting small animals such as fox or rabbit." ![[Linked Image]](https://trapperman.com/forum/attachments/usergals/2024/08/full-58855-227387-inuit_snare_for_ground_squirrel_001.jpg) Source: https://anthrodb.luther.edu/index.php/Detail/objects/198#There is a similar device from Britain, called the hare pipe. It ist mentioned in some historc books, seems to have been used for hundreds of years for snaring hares and rabbits, but nowbody seems to know how it realy looked like and how it was set. ![[Linked Image]](https://trapperman.com/forum/attachments/usergals/2024/08/full-58855-227389-hare_pipe.jpg) Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuvJKEUN3C4 I also found a pictures of an indian ground squirrel snare, using an split eagle feather quill als a snare and spring pole set. ![[Linked Image]](https://trapperman.com/forum/attachments/usergals/2024/08/full-58855-227390-indian_ground_spirrel_snare.jpg) "Photograph of a ground squirrel snare set by a Shúhtagot'ine Elder at O'Grady Lake in 2008. The spring pole snare (a) uses a split eagle feather quill for the noose (b)." Source: https://www.researchgate.net/figure...-Elder-at-OGrady-Lake-in_fig11_270298474![[Linked Image]](https://trapperman.com/forum/attachments/usergals/2024/08/full-58855-227404-indian_ground_spirrel_snare_002.jpg) "Shúhtagot’ine Elder Maurice Mendo demonstrating the success of his ground squirrel snare, 2008. (Credit: W. Stephenson/GNWT)" Source: https://www.researchgate.net/figure...is-ground-squirrel-snare_fig14_290392264
Last edited by Manfred; 08/20/24 12:49 PM.
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Re: Ancient snares
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08/20/24 10:18 AM
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The website also says baleen, but does not detail which part of the snare is made of baleen.
Perhaps the snare itself is made of baleen? I have no idea how flexible and durable baleen is, if spliced to this small diamater.
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Re: Ancient snares
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08/20/24 10:33 AM
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The Baleen part is the round part that hold the rabbit. Baleen is strong and flexible. Your top picture looks the best. I even shows the Baleen splitting into fibers. Baleen is the black part inside the whales mouth that filters all the small fish and shrimp. They are usually about 10-12 foot long when you take them out of the whale. Natives scrimshaw or carve a picture into them and sell them still to this day in Anchorage Alaska. It looks to me like you could still use it today for a couple more before it breaks. I bet that one caught a lot of hares up here. We don't have rabbits, we have hares. Arctic Hares and Snowshoe Hares.
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Re: Ancient snares
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08/20/24 12:54 PM
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The Baleen part is the round part that hold the rabbit. Baleen is strong and flexible. Your top picture looks the best. I even shows the Baleen splitting into fibers. Baleen is the black part inside the whales mouth that filters all the small fish and shrimp. They are usually about 10-12 foot long when you take them out of the whale. Natives scrimshaw or carve a picture into them and sell them still to this day in Anchorage Alaska. It looks to me like you could still use it today for a couple more before it breaks. I bet that one caught a lot of hares up here. We don't have rabbits, we have hares. Arctic Hares and Snowshoe Hares. Thank you. Now I unterstand how these snares are made. The wooden pipe than likely stops the animal from biting through the baleen? I have found some more information on the feather quill snares, too. ![[Linked Image]](https://trapperman.com/forum/attachments/usergals/2024/08/full-58855-227406-feather_quill_snares.jpg) "We trap squirrels. We make lots of snares, we use eagle feathers, wings from all kinds, from ducks too. We made lots of snares.
I know how to make it too, snare with a stick on there, that’s all I used in the mountain, little snare. [You have the bird wing and cut it and make it round?] Um-hum, with sinew too.
My mom had lots of snares, she made lots too.
We put [the snare] above the squirrel hole and that qunsha [squirrel] come out and get in there and it kill it. [You used to get lots?] Lots, whole side of the mountain, we set snares.
After the season [fishing season] we got up there and set the snares. Right now we go up the mountain [September month]. I make a parka out of it, those little skins, gloves, hat, that squirrel is pretty. [you get ready for winter eh?] Um-humm, all the winter stuff, we make." —Mary Hobson, 2007 Interview with Karen Evanoff, 178
Source: https://www.nps.gov/articles/traditional-snares.htm
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Re: Ancient snares
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08/20/24 01:58 PM
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A rabbit snare: ![[Linked Image]](https://trapperman.com/forum/attachments/usergals/2024/08/full-58855-227407-feather_quill_snare_001.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](https://trapperman.com/forum/attachments/usergals/2024/08/full-58855-227408-feather_quill_snare_002.jpg) Snare made from eagle feather quill with hide lace and wooden toggle. Rabbits were primarily caught by women, children, and the elderly. At times, rabbits may have been the main meal of a family for weeks. Truthfully, people ate rabbit at any time of the year but they frequently ate rabbit in late winter when other meat supplies ran low. Rabbits were caught year-round as they were also snared to feed to the dogs. Old style snares are made of sinew from moose legs. This particulare model was made of quill from an eagle feather. Today most hunters will use snares made of wire or fishing twine. In the olden days, rabbit snaring would have been a joint venture, usually two or three women would go out and set snares in thickets where they could see evidence of rabbits. The snare, acting like a noose, would ideally be suspended from the thicket and tied into place with the hide string. Snares should hang far enough from the ground to catch the rabbit by the neck. When the head of the rabbit enters the snare it will tighten and choke the animal. Usually, each woman would set about twenty snares. If the rabbit was found alive, the hunter would have the unpleasant task of strangling the animal to death. The hunter was required to visit the snares at least once a day. Small game will rot quickly so the animal would have to be skinned and cooked as soon as possible. Rabbits were also sought after for their skins. The netted rabbit fur was a popular material for making garments such as robes, boys snowsuits and baby swaddling clothes. The material was light, warm and the garments could be easily made by cutting strips of hide to be knitted into clothing. Snares could be made for other small animals or rodents such as gophers. Source: https://app.pch.gc.ca/application/artefacts_hum/detailler_detail.app?d=KMNH197584
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Re: Ancient snares
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08/20/24 02:34 PM
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The Hare Pipe snare; I think I can see how it works. Place the noose over the Hare's hole from the back. Stake it down with the wooden stake. The Hare comes out of his hole, get's the snare over his head, and the wooden piece keeps the hare from going back down the hole, probably dies quickly as hares panic. I think I could make one and catch a hare just by looking at the picture you have. The cut out in the wooden pipe is key to it working on all sizes of hares. The rope would just adjust to whatever was in the snare loop. The wood could even get tighter if he tried to get down the hole, I think anyway.
A short piece of bamboo, cordage and a piece of wood is all it would take. The pipe is very short, might help with dispatch if going down the hole, it would self adjust and get tighter the way the cordage is tied to the pipe. The cut out in the pipe would help for sure. It might even get jammed in the hole and help dispatch. My take anyways.
The Eagle feather quill snare is off the hook. Whomever made that was really hungry. And it must have worked with all the examples you show.
The wood on the baleen snare might either keep them going down the hole, give them something to bite before dispatched, or just be what worked for them right then. I see they used wood to combine the leather and the eagle feather, so maybe just the same for the baleen snare. Looks like it's uniform size to me, so probably has a real job that I can't recognize. I probably need to be hungrier to see it.
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Re: Ancient snares
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08/21/24 08:59 AM
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Can one of you read this text properly? What I read: This engine is called a hare pipe, because it is made hollow, they are commonly made for the hare, of pipes of elder, of five or seven inches long, and for foxes and bagges, they are made of pine/mne(?) plate, nse ten or eleven inches long, with two sharp(e) pikes in the mouth thereof, and the more they plucke and dzawe, the more it strikes in and peirce the flesh of the beast. And also for the foxe or other such, it shall be good to arme the string or line with red wiar sez wiaring. Which line, the one end is put in at a hole made in the pipe side, as ye may see, and so dzawne double.
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