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Re: Unrealized capital gains tax [Re: warrior] #8201491
08/22/24 11:13 PM
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Hmm maybe I should be spending g all the money I'm putting in the markets on ammo, water filters, salt, ect instead.

Re: Unrealized capital gains tax [Re: Dirt] #8201504
08/22/24 11:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Dirt
"Biden’s Treasury Department said it’s proposing “a minimum tax of 25 percent on total income, generally inclusive of unrealized capital gains, for all taxpayers with wealth (that is, the difference obtained by subtracting liabilities from assets) greater than $100 million.”"

Source: Market Watch.


"The Harris-endorsed budget calls for an annual 25 percent minimum tax on the unrealized gains of individuals with income and assets exceeding $100 million."

Source: Americans for Tax Reform


Do you realize just how little that is? Particularly when you toss in current inflation and the added inflationary pressure of her proposed first home buyer policies?

I recall one family dairy in Jefferson County AL that had the largest, at that time, mall in the southeast built right next door just down from a major interstate off ramp. The roads around it four laned and built out to the max. The only thing that kept it in the family was the 65yo+ mother's homestead exemption. The county waited like vultures for her to die.

Yes, it eventually sold and the heirs made a pretty penny but it was a forced sale and under this tax scheme it would've put and elderly woman out on the street and her heirs would've got chump change for it.


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Re: Unrealized capital gains tax [Re: Dirt] #8201507
08/22/24 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Dirt
"Biden’s Treasury Department said it’s proposing “a minimum tax of 25 percent on total income, generally inclusive of unrealized capital gains, for all taxpayers with wealth (that is, the difference obtained by subtracting liabilities from assets) greater than $100 million.”"

Source: Market Watch.


"The Harris-endorsed budget calls for an annual 25 percent minimum tax on the unrealized gains of individuals with income and assets exceeding $100 million."

Source: Americans for Tax Reform



Ha! Who determines the value of assets nowdays? A New York judge?

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Re: Unrealized capital gains tax [Re: warrior] #8201509
08/22/24 11:45 PM
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"Henley Partners reports that, among the $65 trillion in total U.S. private wealth, there are 5.3 million people worth $1+ million, 9630 worth $100+ million, and 770 worth $1+ billion. This firm helps rich people get citizenship elsewhere, and their 2023 study shows a spike in Americans wanting out."


Who is John Galt?
Re: Unrealized capital gains tax [Re: warrior] #8201511
08/22/24 11:49 PM
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100 million is just to sell it to idiots. The cut off will go down.

Re: Unrealized capital gains tax [Re: Dirt] #8201515
08/22/24 11:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Dirt
"Henley Partners reports that, among the $65 trillion in total U.S. private wealth, there are 5.3 million people worth $1+ million, 9630 worth $100+ million, and 770 worth $1+ billion. This firm helps rich people get citizenship elsewhere, and their 2023 study shows a spike in Americans wanting out."


So what have those 10400 hard working souls done to you that you want to steal from them?

What happened to equality under the law?

Jealousy is an ugly thing.

And I would dispute those numbers as being much higher, particularly when you consider corporate holdings.

But I said the C word so tell me how that's bad as well.


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Re: Unrealized capital gains tax [Re: warrior] #8201617
08/23/24 07:33 AM
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According to this article, top rate in 1944 was 94% for anyone over $200,000 income. War cost money and building it back after we tear it down likely cost even more.

Maybe they could set up a plan where the company's with profit tied directly to the war machine could be taxed higher rates. Maybe they should sacrifice as well as those giving blood to the cause.

https://bradfordtaxinstitute.com/Free_Resources/Federal-Income-Tax-Rates.aspx

Re: Unrealized capital gains tax [Re: Foxpaw] #8201634
08/23/24 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Foxpaw
According to this article, top rate in 1944 was 94% for anyone over $200,000 income. War cost money and building it back after we tear it down likely cost even more.

Maybe they could set up a plan where the company's with profit tied directly to the war machine could be taxed higher rates. Maybe they should sacrifice as well as those giving blood to the cause.

https://bradfordtaxinstitute.com/Free_Resources/Federal-Income-Tax-Rates.aspx


Naw that would cut into my dividends!!

Re: Unrealized capital gains tax [Re: Dirt] #8201650
08/23/24 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Dirt
Be hard to figure gains that are not realized. or losses not realized. Seems that it would get real confusing. Seems simpler to just tax the realized losses or gains.

It would be an annual tax on the value on Dec 31st. You lise every year.

Re: Unrealized capital gains tax [Re: warrior] #8201671
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About time to sell out and live in a national forest.

Re: Unrealized capital gains tax [Re: warrior] #8201736
08/23/24 10:36 AM
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I just bought a new Lincoln hybrid. $$$. Someone else wants to spend it if I don't.

Re: Unrealized capital gains tax [Re: Providence Farm] #8201740
08/23/24 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Originally Posted by Foxpaw
According to this article, top rate in 1944 was 94% for anyone over $200,000 income. War cost money and building it back after we tear it down likely cost even more.

Maybe they could set up a plan where the company's with profit tied directly to the war machine could be taxed higher rates. Maybe they should sacrifice as well as those giving blood to the cause.

https://bradfordtaxinstitute.com/Free_Resources/Federal-Income-Tax-Rates.aspx


Naw that would cut into my dividends!!


If that's the case, since you have kids you might end up paying double, cash and service. Doesn't seem fair when some have to give all while those at the top give nothing and in fact make fortunes, but I guess that is their destiny?

Re: Unrealized capital gains tax [Re: Spike369] #8201763
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Originally Posted by Spike369
Originally Posted by Dirt
Be hard to figure gains that are not realized. or losses not realized. Seems that it would get real confusing. Seems simpler to just tax the realized losses or gains.

It would be an annual tax on the value on Dec 31st. You lise every year.


"Almost everything you own and use for personal or investment purposes is a capital asset. Examples of capital assets include a home, personal-use items like household furnishings, and stocks or bonds held as investments. When you sell a capital asset, the difference between the adjusted basis in the asset and the amount you realized from the sale is a capital gain or a capital loss. Generally, an asset's basis is its cost to the owner, but if you received the asset as a gift or inheritance, refer to Publication 551, Basis of Assets for information about your basis. You have a capital gain if you sell the asset for more than your adjusted basis. You have a capital loss if you sell the asset for less than your adjusted basis. Losses from the sale of personal-use property, such as your home or car, aren't tax deductible."

Source: IRS

Be hard to have my 100 million in paintings, jets, yachts, 12 homes, and race horses and island appraised every year.


Who is John Galt?
Re: Unrealized capital gains tax [Re: warrior] #8201789
08/23/24 12:57 PM
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Guaranteed all politicians will be exempt

Re: Unrealized capital gains tax [Re: warrior] #8201793
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Dirt, the whole thing is an income redistribution scheme. What do you think those 82,000 armed IRS agents are for?

Re: Unrealized capital gains tax [Re: Spike369] #8201798
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Originally Posted by Spike369
Dirt, the whole thing is an income redistribution scheme. What do you think those 82,000 armed IRS agents are for?


Political rhetoric. It was 87,000 and there was never going to be 87,000 new IRS agents. It was just some increase in the IRS budget that some Republican tried to sandbag with the" 87,000 new IRS agents " fear. "Fear" is one of the prime movers of human behavior. This new tax scheme is just the Democrats tired old" tax the rich strategy" (that probably will never happen) that plays well with the American public.


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Re: Unrealized capital gains tax [Re: warrior] #8201804
08/23/24 01:22 PM
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Re: Unrealized capital gains tax [Re: warrior] #8201807
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The end is near! Buy Gold! Make Steve some money. The gold hawkers are some of the worst fearmongers.


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Re: Unrealized capital gains tax [Re: Dirt] #8201808
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Originally Posted by Spike369
Originally Posted by Dirt
Be hard to figure gains that are not realized. or losses not realized. Seems that it would get real confusing. Seems simpler to just tax the realized losses or gains.

It would be an annual tax on the value on Dec 31st. You lise every year.


Originally Posted by Dirt
"Almost everything you own and use for personal or investment purposes is a capital asset. Examples of capital assets include a home, personal-use items like household furnishings, and stocks or bonds held as investments. When you sell a capital asset, the difference between the adjusted basis in the asset and the amount you realized from the sale is a capital gain or a capital loss. Generally, an asset's basis is its cost to the owner, but if you received the asset as a gift or inheritance, refer to Publication 551, Basis of Assets for information about your basis. You have a capital gain if you sell the asset for more than your adjusted basis. You have a capital loss if you sell the asset for less than your adjusted basis. Losses from the sale of personal-use property, such as your home or car, aren't tax deductible."

Source: IRS

Be hard to have my 100 million in paintings, jets, yachts, 12 homes, and race horses and island appraised every year.


Yeah, okay. You about worried yourself to death over a $100 bet. lol


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Re: Unrealized capital gains tax [Re: Foxpaw] #8201824
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Originally Posted by Foxpaw
According to this article, top rate in 1944 was 94% for anyone over $200,000 income. War cost money and building it back after we tear it down likely cost even more.

Maybe they could set up a plan where the company's with profit tied directly to the war machine could be taxed higher rates. Maybe they should sacrifice as well as those giving blood to the cause.

https://bradfordtaxinstitute.com/Free_Resources/Federal-Income-Tax-Rates.aspx

And almost nobody paid for it.


Really this will keep people from owning assets unless they generating enough money from other activities to cover the new taxes. They will eventually be forced to sell off the assets to pay the taxes. Question then would be would they also have to pay capital gains after those sales as well.


All taxes are pretty much evil but capital gains, property tax and this potentially new unrealized gains taxes are especially evil.

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