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Re: Your states DNR [Re: WI Outdoors] #8205268
08/28/24 05:53 PM
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Indiana
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Ours is a disapointment , lazy employees that dont care - Hire on and do as little as possible. Our fish and wildlife areas are mere shadows of what they were 20-30 years ago. Ever increasing license fees and less and less opportunities and game.

Re: Your states DNR [Re: WI Outdoors] #8205272
08/28/24 06:09 PM
08/28/24 06:09 PM
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Iowa
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Wi Outdoors, see how some of the people on here try to turn it on you as if it's your fault, or as if you don't have a right to complain, when people who were hired to do a job are incompetent? Pathetic.

Re: Your states DNR [Re: ~ADC~] #8205279
08/28/24 06:19 PM
08/28/24 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by ~ADC~
Wi Outdoors, see how some of the people on here try to turn it on you as if it's your fault, or as if you don't have a right to complain, when people who were hired to do a job are incompetent? Pathetic.

I wear big boy pants. I don't get upset at any criticism.


Where's Waldo?
Re: Your states DNR [Re: tlguy] #8205280
08/28/24 06:20 PM
08/28/24 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by tlguy
I tell ya, I never see any state residents, and I mean ANY, complaining about their state's DNR as much as I see it from my home state of Wisconsin. Lots of complaints about unqualified folks in positions of power and even biologists, and politics. But Wisconsin citizens have the opportunity to effect change in wildlife regulations every year. And I don't hear of anyone complaining that they applied for biologist jobs and didn't get them so...


The NRB is probably where I should be putting blame too.....deer hunting framework is poor. They had too many deer tags made available for many years now. Slaughtered population in many places. Baiting ban is b.s. mismanaged cwd (wasted lots of money for nothing.) Wolves are a problem. Spring meetings dont change some of those issues and are slow to get change. Politicians in charge who know nothing about the outdoors.


Where's Waldo?
Re: Your states DNR [Re: WI Outdoors] #8205290
08/28/24 06:37 PM
08/28/24 06:37 PM
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Northern Maine
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Biggest issues here at Maine inland fisheries and wildlife are Lynx and no Sunday hunting.


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Re: Your states DNR [Re: WI Outdoors] #8205295
08/28/24 06:42 PM
08/28/24 06:42 PM
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North East Kansas
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Kdwp sux.


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Re: Your states DNR [Re: WI Outdoors] #8205314
08/28/24 07:03 PM
08/28/24 07:03 PM
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Eastern Shore of Maryland
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I’m good with ours. The only dealings I have with them is when I need an otter tagged.

I think they could do better with the deer management.


-Goofy
Re: Your states DNR [Re: DanN] #8205315
08/28/24 07:04 PM
08/28/24 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by DanN
Originally Posted by walleyed
Back in the 50's, 60's, and 70's state DNR fish & game departments
were dominated by World War II & Korean War veterans who took
advantage of the G.I. Bill by attending college and received veterans
preference in most civil service jobs especially state Outdoor related work.

These returning veterans who took the fish & game jobs
were hunters, trappers, fishermen and farmers who grew up
during the great depression and were consumptive users of wildlife.

Most of these guys have long since retired
and/or gone their happy hunting ground.

By the late 1960's & 1970's, the draft dodging, pot smoking hippies
hiding out in U.S. colleges started their getting masters & doctorate degrees
and hung around to be become college professors teaching our college
students from the late 1970's, 80's, 90's & beyond, and most were and are,
dyed in the wool, anti-consumptive use, bambi kissers, bunny huggers
granola crunching, Yule Gibbons type environmentalist wack jobs.

These are the college instructors who indoctrinated all the
college graduates in wildlife management who are infiltrating
our state & federal government DNR departments today !!



Spot on with this statement

X2


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Re: Your states DNR [Re: tlguy] #8205316
08/28/24 07:05 PM
08/28/24 07:05 PM
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east central WI
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Originally Posted by tlguy
I don't hear of anyone complaining that they applied for biologist jobs and didn't get them so...


I do, At times I work with younger kids (20's and early '30's) that have gone to college and graduated with a degree in some sort of natural resource management and they can't get jobs in the field. My Niece has a PhD in aquatic entomology and has tried for several years and nothing. There are way more people looking for jobs in the natural resource fields than there are jobs. Myself I started college with the aim of getting a degree as a wildlife biologist. After I figured out that the odds of getting a job was very slim to none I dropped out and went into a different field that had lots of openings.

I know a guy who applied for a internship in WI to study wolves. Mind you an internship, very poor pay and bottom of the rung type of job. He said that there were people with PhD's applying for the same position, with just a BS degree he had no chance.

Lots of people out there to pick from, I suspect that there is a bias that the ones who do the hiring look for others with the same mindset. Another words if the boss is a member of the Sierra club, Audubon Society and PETA someone who is a member of the NRA, Trout Unlimited and Pheasants Forever will be passed over early in the selection.

Re: Your states DNR [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #8205320
08/28/24 07:08 PM
08/28/24 07:08 PM
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chippwewa falls WI
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Originally Posted by GREENCOUNTYPETE
specific things

Any county issuing more than 2 doe tags with a gun deer license have a 9 day muzzle loader season starting the last Saturday in October at dawn clearly the bow hunters are not getting it done.




I gotta disagree with you on that one. While having a gun hunt during the rut might not affect non bow hunters or individuals who hunt on private land, fellas like me who bow hunt on public land would immediately have our stands ruined by (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman)'s out doing drives for does.


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Re: Your states DNR [Re: WI Outdoors] #8205321
08/28/24 07:12 PM
08/28/24 07:12 PM
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NY
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Liberals who appoint Liberals who hire Liberals

Re: Your states DNR [Re: WI Outdoors] #8205328
08/28/24 07:26 PM
08/28/24 07:26 PM
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western mn
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Fishing Mn 101. 10,000 lakes, and yet they micro manage SO MANY!
how bout this...., state daily limit is (whatever), let people fish!!!
If one lake starts feeling pressure, people will move on to another lake, repeat.

This stupid crap about colloring,tagging bears in Mn is down right sickening. Bears follow food. Simple. If food is scarce, they travel to find it.

Heart rate monitors. Lol. Seem like they " find" something new bout every year so they can " study" it. $$$
Wolves. Oh boy.. time for the upper ups in the Mn DNR to tell the feds to (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) off.!

Lynx. Oh for joy. A few have made thier way into our state. Let's now add more regulations to help them thrive here while pushing people out of trapping because of said over bearing regulations.
CWD surveillance zones. No feeding, salt/ mineral blocks,ect, while I watch almost daily deer licking each other.

Here's an idea Mn DNR, how's about doing something IMPORTANT like studying why pollinators are in such rapid decline?
Perhaps ENFORCE The buffer zone law Dayton

sick sick put in place?

DNR coffers would fill up right quick wink


swampgas chili and schmidt beer makes for a deadly combo

You have to remember that 1 out of 3 Democratic Voters is just as dumb as the other two.
Re: Your states DNR [Re: WI Outdoors] #8205345
08/28/24 07:51 PM
08/28/24 07:51 PM
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Yeah, actually I think ours are heading in the right direction. Been seeing a lot of improvements on our WMA’s. Our seasons are pretty good. Our turkeys are in decline, but I think they’re heading the right direction with that as well. And for the most part our LEO’s are really honest and thorough in their work. Some are even fun to mess with, lol.

Re: Your states DNR [Re: WI Outdoors] #8205349
08/28/24 07:57 PM
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Many in the DNR are anti consumptive and don't think anyone should make money off any flora or fauna. In many states if trapping was outlawed the powers that be would be good with that.

Re: Your states DNR [Re: DanN] #8205355
08/28/24 08:01 PM
08/28/24 08:01 PM
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Missouri Ozarks
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Originally Posted by DanN
Originally Posted by walleyed
Back in the 50's, 60's, and 70's state DNR fish & game departments
were dominated by World War II & Korean War veterans who took
advantage of the G.I. Bill by attending college and received veterans
preference in most civil service jobs especially state Outdoor related work.

These returning veterans who took the fish & game jobs
were hunters, trappers, fishermen and farmers who grew up
during the great depression and were consumptive users of wildlife.

Most of these guys have long since retired
and/or gone their happy hunting ground.

By the late 1960's & 1970's, the draft dodging, pot smoking hippies
hiding out in U.S. colleges started their getting masters & doctorate degrees
and hung around to be become college professors teaching our college
students from the late 1970's, 80's, 90's & beyond, and most were and are,
dyed in the wool, anti-consumptive use, bambi kissers, bunny huggers
granola crunching, Yule Gibbons type environmentalist wack jobs.

These are the college instructors who indoctrinated all the
college graduates in wildlife management who are infiltrating
our state & federal government DNR departments today !!



Spot on with this statement

Originally Posted by DanN
Originally Posted by walleyed
Back in the 50's, 60's, and 70's state DNR fish & game departments
were dominated by World War II & Korean War veterans who took
advantage of the G.I. Bill by attending college and received veterans
preference in most civil service jobs especially state Outdoor related work.

These returning veterans who took the fish & game jobs
were hunters, trappers, fishermen and farmers who grew up
during the great depression and were consumptive users of wildlife.

Most of these guys have long since retired
and/or gone their happy hunting ground.

By the late 1960's & 1970's, the draft dodging, pot smoking hippies
hiding out in U.S. colleges started their getting masters & doctorate degrees
and hung around to be become college professors teaching our college
students from the late 1970's, 80's, 90's & beyond, and most were and are,
dyed in the wool, anti-consumptive use, bambi kissers, bunny huggers
granola crunching, Yule Gibbons type environmentalist wack jobs.

These are the college instructors who indoctrinated all the
college graduates in wildlife management who are infiltrating
our state & federal government DNR departments today !!



Spot on with this statement


I’m a college professor training young wildlife professionals

Re: Your states DNR [Re: WI Outdoors] #8205376
08/28/24 08:20 PM
08/28/24 08:20 PM
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That's fine,but there's A world of difference between the mindset of yesterday and today in wildlife management in most states.I'm 62,and I was fortunate enough to see the old guard and unfortunate enough to see the transition to today's mentality.When I started hunting and trapping in the early '70's I had complete faith in our DNR and now I have none.A good many of their decisions are now based on social science and not wildlife management science.

Last edited by Buck (Zandra); 08/28/24 08:25 PM.

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Re: Your states DNR [Re: WI Outdoors] #8205379
08/28/24 08:23 PM
08/28/24 08:23 PM
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Maryland DNR / NRP has a ways to go for improvement in personnel knowledge, training, efficiency, enforcement application and stop hiring from the "concrete jungle".


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Re: Your states DNR [Re: chippewatrapper] #8205384
08/28/24 08:28 PM
08/28/24 08:28 PM
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Green County Wisconsin
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Originally Posted by chippewatrapper
Originally Posted by GREENCOUNTYPETE
specific things

Any county issuing more than 2 doe tags with a gun deer license have a 9 day muzzle loader season starting the last Saturday in October at dawn clearly the bow hunters are not getting it done.




I gotta disagree with you on that one. While having a gun hunt during the rut might not affect non bow hunters or individuals who hunt on private land, fellas like me who bow hunt on public land would immediately have our stands ruined by (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman)'s out doing drives for does.



I guess I don't see myself as a (this word is unacceptable on trapper man) but I like doing drives and making meat
how about this , if your county issues 3+ doe tags , bow hunting is earn a buck leave the seasons as they are.


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Re: Your states DNR [Re: walleyed] #8205393
08/28/24 08:40 PM
08/28/24 08:40 PM
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Central Oregon
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Originally Posted by walleyed
Back in the 50's, 60's, and 70's state DNR fish & game departments
were dominated by World War II & Korean War veterans who took
advantage of the G.I. Bill by attending college and received veterans
preference in most civil service jobs especially state Outdoor related work.

These returning veterans who took the fish & game jobs
were hunters, trappers, fishermen and farmers who grew up
during the great depression and were consumptive users of wildlife.

Most of these guys have long since retired
and/or gone to their happy hunting grounds.

By the late 1960's & 1970's, the draft dodging, pot smoking hippies
hiding out in U.S. colleges started their getting masters & doctorate degrees
and hung around to be become college professors teaching our college
students from the late 1970's, 80's, 90's & beyond, and most were and are,
dyed in the wool, anti-consumptive use, bambi kissers, bunny huggers,
or granola crunching, Yule Gibbons type environmentalist wack jobs.

These are the college instructors who have indoctrinated all the
college graduates in wildlife management who are infiltrating
our state & federal government DNR departments today !!





Pretty hard to deny this right here........same bs in forestry management as well ....


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Re: Your states DNR [Re: WI Outdoors] #8205394
08/28/24 08:43 PM
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I have a degree in Natural Resources with emphasis in forestry. My sophomore year, I worked for the USFS out of Salem for the summer. My Junior year, I was recruited for an internship out of the same office. The carrot was there would be two of us in the internship and one of us would be offered a forestry position after graduation for the Mark Twain district. This was 90-91 timeframe.

The other candidate was from the Virgin Islands. Great guy and we knew each other from class. He was very smart and we matched up close as far as GPA. Only problem was the internship was to survey and establish new plots for short leaf pine in the Sinken Experimental Forest. Rudy hated snakes. After the third encounter with copperhead in the first couple weeks, Rudy quit showing up for work. I finished the summer work with the help of an 80+ year old gentleman who did part time work.

Long story made short, I was brought in to help groom Rudy for the job. Everyone had amnesia about the promise made. I learned a valuable lesson and went to work in the private industry where there were no quotas. Best thing that ever happened.

That same mentality and hiring practices are what is wrong with the government. It is not the most qualified, it is the one that checks the most boxes.


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