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Re: And in other news, as scheduled, another shooting
[Re: warrior]
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09/06/24 08:57 AM
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I wonder what the kid told his dad he needed the gun for? It is just a tool for a job.
Who is John Galt?
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Re: And in other news, as scheduled, another shooting
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09/06/24 10:55 AM
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The father bought the kid a gun after knowing he made online threats, and was consequentially investigated for said threats with FBI involvement in May of 2023. Nothing was done, the father said the kid had no unsupervised access, they decided to sit back and keep an eye on the kid. Fast forward 7 months: "Here son, Merry Christmas. I know you were investigated for threatening to shoot up a school, and nothing really became of it, but I went out and got you this AR-15. Please be careful with it."
That is a major lapse in judgement. A major lapse in judgement that cost 4 innocent lives. It's indefensible. He supplied a firearm to a person who had a known risk of threats of violence with get this.... A firearm. I don't have any insider information. What I have is empathy for the innocent, and hatred for the aggressors and enablers.
You have about 5 or 6 of these AR shooters every year pull a stunt like this. Those 5 or 6 people are going to eventually wipe out the rights of millions.
Whether you agree with it or not, the father is going to go down. The charges are gonna stick like stink on Providence Farm after a 16 hour shift.
I do not think the father believed his son posed a serious threat. But the threat was real, the threat was made, and yet he stilled gifted him a weapon 7 months later. He holds responsibility and thus deserves punishment. I bought my son a gun for a Christmas present when he was 8. That doesn't mean he had unfettered access to it. It wasnt locked up, but he didnt touch it without me. How exactly did the father "know" he made threats? According to the FBI, the boy didn't. Do you know everything your kid has ever posted online? Most parents don't, even if the think they do. I'm not really defending the father. I'm against the concept of jumping to emotional conclusions that will lead to more and more regulations on law abiding gun owners.
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Re: And in other news, as scheduled, another shooting
[Re: warrior]
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09/06/24 11:09 AM
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they are very eager to disarm us
Rise and Rise Again
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Re: And in other news, as scheduled, another shooting
[Re: warrior]
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09/06/24 12:02 PM
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The father may be guilty of stupidity but I don't believe he committed any crime.
Eh...wot?
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Re: And in other news, as scheduled, another shooting
[Re: warrior]
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I like how everyone speculates with knee jerk reaction right after these things happen without waiting for real facts to come out. Guilty until proven innocent right? Smh.
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Re: And in other news, as scheduled, another shooting
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The father, Colin Gray, has been charged with 2 counts of 2nd degree Felony Murder, 4 counts of Involuntary Manslaughter and 8 counts of 2nd degree Cruelty to Children.
I think that is complete BS.
I also believe James and Jennifer Crumbly's convictions on Involuntary Manslaughter for the actions of their son were wrong and set a dangerous precedent for gun owners everywhere.
Eh...wot?
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Re: And in other news, as scheduled, another shooting
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09/06/24 01:18 PM
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The father, Colin Gray, has been charged with 2 counts of 2nd degree Felony Murder, 4 counts of Involuntary Manslaughter and 8 counts of 2nd degree Cruelty to Children.
I think that is complete BS.
I also believe James and Jennifer Crumbly's convictions on Involuntary Manslaughter for the actions of their son were wrong and set a dangerous precedent for gun owners everywhere.
Only if you're raising monsters.
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Re: And in other news, as scheduled, another shooting
[Re: warrior]
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09/06/24 01:27 PM
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“Raising monsters”, so the liberals have it right, victims have no accountability for their actions. Perhaps the dad was abused as a child as well as his dad and his daddy’s daddy.
If that is the way it is then Trump should be in jail as well as the two Presidents before him.
-Goofy
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Re: And in other news, as scheduled, another shooting
[Re: warrior]
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09/06/24 01:31 PM
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The father, Colin Gray, has been charged with 2 counts of 2nd degree Felony Murder, 4 counts of Involuntary Manslaughter and 8 counts of 2nd degree Cruelty to Children.
I think that is complete BS.
I also believe James and Jennifer Crumbly's convictions on Involuntary Manslaughter for the actions of their son were wrong and set a dangerous precedent for gun owners everywhere.
Only if you're raising monsters. Thats dangerous thinking in my opinion. If Kyle Rittenhouse's verdict didnt go the way it did would his dad have been punished? (I dont recall the specifics, but I thought he was under aged) Would he be considered a monster? Would you want to be held responsible if a self defense case didnt go the way you wanted for your children/grandchildren? Obviously this isnt a self defense case, but that line gets blurry I would think
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Re: And in other news, as scheduled, another shooting
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09/06/24 01:49 PM
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So the bad apple defense. One of your swimmers must've been defective is a bs excuse.
Sure kids make mistakes but intentional murder ain't a mistake and if a parent has caused or allowed such action then hold them accountable.
Are we going to allow the parents to squash that grape if it doesn’t conform to the vine?
-Goofy
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Re: And in other news, as scheduled, another shooting
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09/06/24 01:57 PM
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So the bad apple defense. One of your swimmers must've been defective is a bs excuse.
Sure kids make mistakes but intentional murder ain't a mistake and if a parent has caused or allowed such action then hold them accountable.
Are we going to allow the parents to squash that grape if it doesn’t conform to the vine? If need be. Mine know full well that if in the right I got their back, if in the wrong I'll drive them to the jail myself. I guess I'm a sith parent because I do deal in absolutes.
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Re: And in other news, as scheduled, another shooting
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09/06/24 02:27 PM
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So the bad apple defense. One of your swimmers must've been defective is a bs excuse.
Sure kids make mistakes but intentional murder ain't a mistake and if a parent has caused or allowed such action then hold them accountable.
Are we going to allow the parents to squash that grape if it doesn’t conform to the vine? If need be. Mine know full well that if in the right I got their back, if in the wrong I'll drive them to the jail myself.
I guess I'm a sith parent because I do deal in absolutes. Are you really going to try and tell us there has never been a child that experienced the best in upbringing but became a criminal anyway?
-Goofy
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Re: And in other news, as scheduled, another shooting
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[quote=warrior]So the bad apple defense. One of your swimmers must've been defective is a bs excuse.
Sure kids make mistakes but intentional murder ain't a mistake and if a parent has caused or allowed such action then hold them accountable.
Are we going to allow the parents to squash that grape if it doesn’t conform to the vine? If need be. Mine know full well that if in the right I got their back, if in the wrong I'll drive them to the jail myself.
I guess I'm a sith parent because I do deal in absolutes. Are you really going to try and tell us there has never been a child that experienced the best in upbringing but became a criminal anyway? [/quote] No, raised by God fearing parents and I did some pretty stupid stuff. Happens all the time. But if a parent ain't actively doing everything within their power to prevent, for that matter any family member, or worse stands by and allows then they bear responsibility for their lack of response.
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