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Re: And in other news, as scheduled, another shooting [Re: warrior] #8210663
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So if folks on a subway do nothing while someone is getting a beating the whole car should be charged with assault. Got it.

Carry on.


-Goofy
Re: And in other news, as scheduled, another shooting [Re: HobbieTrapper] #8210670
09/06/24 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper
So if folks on a subway do nothing while someone is getting a beating the whole car should be charged with assault. Got it.

Carry on.


Yes


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Re: And in other news, as scheduled, another shooting [Re: warrior] #8210676
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Would probably be a lot of grannies in jail who are working and trying to raise their grand children. Hard for a single elderly woman to have the tools to discipline a nearly grown teenager under those circumstances. Reckon she goes to jail or the parent?. What you are saying is good in theory I guess, but not real practical for everyone. I’d imagine a lot of preachers kids have done some drunk driving and other debauchery. If something bad happens should the parents be punished for letting them drive the car even if they didn’t know they were gonna be drinking?

Re: And in other news, as scheduled, another shooting [Re: warrior] #8210680
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The concept of charging someone, anyone, with a crime someone else committed is ridiculous. Colin Gray did not commit a crime and should not be charged with any crime.



Eh...wot?

Re: And in other news, as scheduled, another shooting [Re: warrior] #8210692
09/06/24 04:07 PM
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If the father is guilty because the son made threats he knew about, where are the charges against the FBI agents who knew, yet did nothing? Why aren't they culpable?

Re: And in other news, as scheduled, another shooting [Re: warrior] #8210766
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They were smart enough not to buy him gun.


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Re: And in other news, as scheduled, another shooting [Re: warrior] #8210788
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Buying your son a gun is not a crime. At least not for now.


Eh...wot?

Re: And in other news, as scheduled, another shooting [Re: warrior] #8210790
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Originally Posted by warrior
Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper
So if folks on a subway do nothing while someone is getting a beating the whole car should be charged with assault. Got it.

Carry on.


Yes

So if you let me borrow your car, and I wipe someone out because I got drunk, you should be charged too?


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Re: And in other news, as scheduled, another shooting [Re: warrior] #8210797
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Doubtful, but if you give your child beer and a car he kills someone with, probably.

Re: And in other news, as scheduled, another shooting [Re: warrior] #8210806
09/06/24 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by WI Outdoors
Originally Posted by warrior


Yes

So if you let me borrow your car, and I wipe someone out because I got drunk, you should be charged too?


If I knew you were a drunk headed to the bar, yes.

The word we're looking for is REASONABLE. If it is reasonable for me to expect bad consequences for an act on my part then guilty.

Same reason a bartender can get charged for over serving.

The gun issue in this case blurs things and raises alarm bells, I get it.

Maybe we need to start charging the parents of these antifa, hamas, blm agitators when they riot and burn stuff.

IMO, this dad had reasonable cause to believe his son had no business with a firearm. And the more we learn it sounds like it's more than just a prior visit by the FBI.


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Re: And in other news, as scheduled, another shooting [Re: warrior] #8210809
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Don’t want to take a chance of your kid going on offense with those self defense classes you put them through, better just teach them how to take a beating instead. lol


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Re: And in other news, as scheduled, another shooting [Re: warrior] #8210810
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Originally Posted by WI Outdoors
Originally Posted by warrior


Yes

So if you let me borrow your car, and I wipe someone out because I got drunk, you should be charged too?


Originally Posted by warrior
If I knew you were a drunk headed to the bar, yes.

The word we're looking for is REASONABLE. If it is reasonable for me to expect bad consequences for an act on my part then guilty.

Same reason a bartender can get charged for over serving.

The gun issue in this case blurs things and raises alarm bells, I get it.

Maybe we need to start charging the parents of these antifa, hamas, blm agitators when they riot and burn stuff.

IMO, this dad had reasonable cause to believe his son had no business with a firearm. And the more we learn it sounds like it's more than just a prior visit by the FBI.


Bartender? Better add the arms dealer and manufacturer to that list. Especially if they knew the dad was buying the gun for his kid. I can’t imagine that didn’t come up in conversation.


-Goofy
Re: And in other news, as scheduled, another shooting [Re: HobbieTrapper] #8210811
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Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper
The Average Liberal government school policies messed that kid up.

^^^^^^^^

Re: And in other news, as scheduled, another shooting [Re: warrior] #8210834
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Originally Posted by warrior
IMO, this dad had reasonable cause to believe his son had no business with a firearm. And the more we learn it sounds like it's more than just a prior visit by the FBI.


In a statement to police the dad explained that he and his son shot a ranges frequently and were also hunters. So this kid had lots of reasons to possess guns.

No parent believes their kid is capable of horrible violence until it actually happens.

Colin Gray committed no crime. Charging him with the same criminal acts as his son who actually committed those acts is ridiculous. I'd bet the over-zealous prosecutor is a libtard looking to stick it to gun-owners while promoting his career.


Eh...wot?

Re: And in other news, as scheduled, another shooting [Re: Lugnut] #8210835
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Originally Posted by Lugnut
Originally Posted by warrior
IMO, this dad had reasonable cause to believe his son had no business with a firearm. And the more we learn it sounds like it's more than just a prior visit by the FBI.


In a statement to police the dad explained that he and his son shot a ranges frequently and were also hunters. So this kid had lots of reasons to possess guns.

No parent believes their kid is capable of horrible violence until it actually happens.

Colin Gray committed no crime. Charging him with the same criminal acts as his son who actually committed those acts is ridiculous. I'd bet the over-zealous prosecutor is a libtard looking to stick it to gun-owners while promoting his career.


And……it’s working.


-Goofy
Re: And in other news, as scheduled, another shooting [Re: warrior] #8210844
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Should have never taken our shoes off to board a plane….. enjoy..

Re: And in other news, as scheduled, another shooting [Re: Lugnut] #8210872
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Originally Posted by Lugnut
Originally Posted by warrior
IMO, this dad had reasonable cause to believe his son had no business with a firearm. And the more we learn it sounds like it's more than just a prior visit by the FBI.


In a statement to police the dad explained that he and his son shot a ranges frequently and were also hunters. So this kid had lots of reasons to possess guns.

No parent believes their kid is capable of horrible violence until it actually happens.

Colin Gray committed no crime. Charging him with the same criminal acts as his son who actually committed those acts is ridiculous. I'd bet the over-zealous prosecutor is a libtard looking to stick it to gun-owners while promoting his career.


That county votes red.


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Re: And in other news, as scheduled, another shooting [Re: Lugnut] #8210873
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Originally Posted by Lugnut
Originally Posted by warrior
IMO, this dad had reasonable cause to believe his son had no business with a firearm. And the more we learn it sounds like it's more than just a prior visit by the FBI.


In a statement to police the dad explained that he and his son shot a ranges frequently and were also hunters. So this kid had lots of reasons to possess guns.

No parent believes their kid is capable of horrible violence until it actually happens.

Colin Gray committed no crime. Charging him with the same criminal acts as his son who actually committed those acts is ridiculous. I'd bet the over-zealous prosecutor is a libtard looking to stick it to gun-owners while promoting his career.


The kid claims to be trans, has social media speaking of unmentionable things, prior reported statements yet dad thinks Jr is a saint?

I've raised three got six grands I am long disillusioned and believe any of them is capable of anything. That's why I'm in their business.


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Re: And in other news, as scheduled, another shooting [Re: warrior] #8210888
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So, if a 26 year old takes a gun his father gives him when he is 13 and kills 2 people with, what charges should the father face?

Re: And in other news, as scheduled, another shooting [Re: BandB] #8210910
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Originally Posted by BandB
So, if a 26 year old takes a gun his father gives him when he is 13 and kills 2 people with, what charges should the father face?


None at that point assuming the kid has moved out of the basement, lol.


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