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Re: And in other news, as scheduled, another shooting [Re: warrior] #8210967
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In a statement to police the dad explained that he and his son shot a ranges frequently and were also hunters. So this kid had lots of reasons to possess guns.

No parent believes their kid is capable of horrible violence until it actually happens.

Colin Gray committed no crime. Charging him with the same criminal acts as his son who actually committed those acts is ridiculous. I'd bet the over-zealous prosecutor is a libtard looking to stick it to gun-owners while promoting his career.

I've raised three got six grands I am long disillusioned and believe any of them is capable of anything. That's why I'm in their business.


No guns for your kids and grandkids?


Eh...wot?

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The thing is this kid posted on an app called Discord that he was going to commit a shooting in 2-3 years. He was not ready to die yet because he felt like he had to make this contribution to society. He followed that up with a picture of him with some guns saying he was "ready". This was in May of '23. So he carried out his shooting a little ahead of his self proclaimed schedule

So Discord isn't like Facebook. It's a lot more discreet on you you really are and where you live. The FBI pinged the Discord post to Georgia, further pinging it to Jackson County. What led them to the Gray's house, I don't know. What led them to not charging him with anything then, I don't know. The father told the police the son had no unsupervised access to the weapons. Maybe he showed them a locked up safe and that satisfied them enough to just sit back and watch. Hindsight that was obviously a mistake. The Jackson Co. police alert the local schools and they keep an eye on him. He moves to another for the '24 school year and is likely not on the radar of the LE of that county.


The issue is that in May '23 the police had the discord messages, they had who posted it. They interviewed the kid and father and 99.999% more than likely showed the father the Discord messages. Yet 7 months later he goes and buys him an AR-15, with the knowledge that his son posted that (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) on the internet earlier in the year. Did they like shooting and hunting together? I'm sure they did. Sounds like the father had locked up guns that they could use to shoot and hunt. But going out and buying an assault weapon ( no I'm not afraid of them, but there's a big difference in an AR and a Remington 700) for a kid who threatened to shoot up a school 7 months prior is where the issue lies. I don't know where the AR was kept, was it locked up? Was it haphazardly laying around the kids room? Who knows. But he obviously was able to get it whenever he wanted.

You do not arm a child, or anybody for that matter, who has clear mental health issues, and has made previous threats whether to be felt real or not, with a weapon of anykind- let alone a (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) AR-15.

The father was unknowingly involved in all of this as somewhat of an accomplice, and not by his choice I'm sure.

May '23; Police interview the two concerning the discord threats -> Christmas time '23; father gives son an AR-15 for being such a good lad -> September '24 shooting occurs.


https://www.thedailybeast.com/georg...uled-and-called-gay-by-bullies-at-school

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Re: And in other news, as scheduled, another shooting [Re: warrior] #8210990
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Originally Posted by warrior
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So if folks on a subway do nothing while someone is getting a beating the whole car should be charged with assault. Got it.

Carry on.


Yes


Sorry, if Chuck or Adam are getting a beat down on a subway, I’m videoing it so I can watch it over and over, however since in your world I should go to jail for being there I might as well do some beating myself.


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Re: And in other news, as scheduled, another shooting [Re: warrior] #8210994
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Some of you would never leave the house if you knew what went through peoples minds. You do realize that all those movies with “unspeakable” things portrayed were thought up by an individual? How many screen writers have actually acted on those thoughts in real life?


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Re: And in other news, as scheduled, another shooting [Re: warrior] #8210996
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step in to help and get charged for assault. it very clear how many on here are much older and still believe things are like it was in the 60 and 70s.

Re: And in other news, as scheduled, another shooting [Re: warrior] #8211002
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The extremely unfortunate thing is that Colt probably has inspired some other bullied and marginalized kid. "Hey, I can finally get recognized. Hey, I can finally express to the world how hurt I am inside. Hey, I can make the world know my name."

He was inspired by the Parkland shooter. The found a note book in his room backing that up.

The technological age we live in where you can instantly be talking to someone from Katmandu or Timbuktu with the push of a button has led to a lot of this. Online bullying, anonymous bullying, no longer are kids being shoved in lockers, but they go home and face ridicule at all hours of the day no matter if they are locked in their bedroom, on vacation 10 hours from home, or wherever else they may be.

This 21st century world brings a lot of social issues into the fold that didn't exist 25 years ago.

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Re: And in other news, as scheduled, another shooting [Re: Massac] #8211004
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Originally Posted by Massac
You do not arm a child, or anybody for that matter, who has clear mental health issues, and has made previous threats whether to be felt real or not, with a weapon of anykind- let alone a (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) AR-15.


The AR-15 he gifted to his son was what the boy hunted with. I far as I can tell after reviewing Georgia's convoluted hunting regulations, it is legal to hunt deer with a semi-auto rifle and there are no magazine capacity restrictions. That's what a "F-bomb AR-15" (your words) is, a semi-auto rifle. There is no need to categorize it as an "assault weapon." We get more than enough of that type of sensationalized bullcrap from the mainstream media. It was the kid's deer rifle.

Originally Posted by Massac
The father was unknowingly involved in all of this as somewhat of an accomplice, and not by his choice I'm sure.


Exactly my point. The father bought the kid a deer rifle for Christmas. He had no certain knowledge of the kid's future actions. He did not knowingly aid or abet his son in these crimes. He was not an accomplice in any legal sense. He committed no crime and should not be charged.


Eh...wot?

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lug nut your wasting your time. the guys mind is set and he buys into the hype. if only dad would have bought the kid a bolt gun all would be fine.


the kids head got screwed up in the public school with the woke lgbtq bs at a young age. this is the direct result.

ever wonder why the Trump shooter pictures shown were of about age 9 and not current. yes that's right can't show the kids screwed up Trans.


the dad is responsible for letting his kid get indoctrinated at the public school and sending his kid there. maybe he even screwed up and played along with the kids delusions like the school would advise.



want to place claim that belongs to each and everyone that goes along with this left woke pushed crap. if you do your to claim for all these screwed up ticking time bomb people.

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Good job dad, that's a heck of a caliber and a heck of a choice for a deer gun.

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Originally Posted by Massac
Good job dad, that's a heck of a caliber and a heck of a choice for a deer gun.



you are a very opinionated judgmental individual. you have no clue as to what loads are available and how effective they can be or other reasons for people's choice to hunt with what they hunt with. your method may be what you think is the best but it not the best for everyone. Are you doing OK.

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I'm all for Americans owning semi auto assault type weapons. That's what an AR is classified as. I have 2, there are millions of others responsibly owned all across the country. I've never transferred a firearm to a minor, so I am unsure of the way it's supposed to be done "by the book". But I'm sure there is probably something on there about the transferee being someone who is of sound mind to possess the gun (i.e. not a drug user, being mentally fit etc)

I'm a Trumper so please relax for this next bit, but isn't everyone chomping at the bits to lock Hunter up because he owned a gun as a crack cocaine abuser? There was some lying on the forms going on to gift that kid the gun. The father knew at the time of gifting that his son posed a threat to society.

You don't put that kind of power and responsibility into the hands of a mentally unstable teenager who threatened to shoot up a school, not expect there to be consequences paid later. Use your head. You're so far right and are just as indoctrinated as the far left.

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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Originally Posted by Massac
Good job dad, that's a heck of a caliber and a heck of a choice for a deer gun.



you are a very opinionated judgmental individual. you have no clue as to what loads are available and how effective they can be or other reasons for people's choice to hunt with what they hunt with. your method may be what you think is the best but it not the best for everyone. Are you doing OK.




I'll actually agree with that. Maybe the gun was a .308. my speculation tells me it was 5.56 though

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Go to jail for someone else’s crime, welcome to the new America. We are doomed.


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they have heavy for cal bonded bullets some pushing 90gr for 556 that are very close to 243 deer loads . but I have killed a doe with a 45 gr varmint hp that made it 30 yards.

you don't need a 308 to kill a whitetail.


you must not have any kids and you don't know much about gun laws either going from your limited response and lack of experience.

how do you get your kid guns you buy them wrap the box and put a bow on it. it's simple. nothing more to gifting a gun to a kid or grand kid.

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Yep, I'm buying my granddaughter a 20g O/U for her birthday later this month to be used for assaulting pheasants, grouse and other upland game. My bad...


Eh...wot?

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An AR-15 in 5,56 wouldn't be my first choice for deer but that's what the kid used it for, hunting and shooting targets with his dad.

There's a pic on the link Massac shared with the kid posing with a deer and an AR that he presumably killed with the gun.


Eh...wot?

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Originally Posted by Massac
I'm all for Americans owning semi auto assault type weapons. That's what an AR is classified as. I have 2, there are millions of others responsibly owned all across the country. I've never transferred a firearm to a minor, so I am unsure of the way it's supposed to be done "by the book". But I'm sure there is probably something on there about the transferee being someone who is of sound mind to possess the gun (i.e. not a drug user, being mentally fit etc)


There is no registration when purchasing any long gun in my state of Pennsylvania and no forms to fill out when gifting any long gun to anyone, including minors. Your state regulations may differ.

Originally Posted by Massac
I'm a Trumper so please relax for this next bit, but isn't everyone chomping at the bits to lock Hunter up because he owned a gun as a crack cocaine abuser? There was some lying on the forms going on to gift that kid the gun. The father knew at the time of gifting that his son posed a threat to society.


There are lots of other offenses Hunter Biden should be prosecuted for. The gun thing is simply Republican political theater.

As far as I can tell there is no gun registration in Georgia and no forms to fill out when gifting them. The father didn't lie.

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You're so far right and are just as indoctrinated as the far left.


I'm not indoctrinated by anyone. I have the increasingly uncommon ability to think for myself.


Eh...wot?

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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
they have heavy for cal bonded bullets some pushing 90gr for 556 that are very close to 243 deer loads . but I have killed a doe with a 45 gr varmint hp that made it 30 yards.

you don't need a 308 to kill a whitetail.


you must not have any kids and you don't know much about gun laws either going from your limited response and lack of experience.

how do you get your kid guns you buy them wrap the box and put a bow on it. it's simple. nothing more to gifting a gun to a kid or grand kid.

You're right, i don't know the laws for transferring or gifting a gun to someone else. That's kinda what I stated in the previous post. Someone has to be the lawful owner of that gun. You can't go out and buy a gun if you truthfully answer on the forms that you have mental health issues or use drugs, and an array of other things that might make you a heightened risk to yourself or society. Yet the father knew his son was a risk and still bought him a gun. He gave a gun to someone who if they were old enough and answered truthfully would not permitted to own it if they tried to buy it themselves. Just like how you can't go out and legally buy your buddy with a felony record a pistol. Guns in the hands of the irresponsible lead to accidents and tragedies. If the ATF knew the kid had threatened to shoot up a school, how likely is it that they would allow him to own any type of gun? The dad knew.

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they have heavy for cal bonded bullets some pushing 90gr for 556 that are very close to 243 deer loads . but I have killed a doe with a 45 gr varmint hp that made it 30 yards.

you don't need a 308 to kill a whitetail.


you must not have any kids and you don't know much about gun laws either going from your limited response and lack of experience.

how do you get your kid guns you buy them wrap the box and put a bow on it. it's simple. nothing more to gifting a gun to a kid or grand kid.

You're right, i don't know the laws for transferring or gifting a gun to someone else. That's kinda what I stated in the previous post. Someone has to be the lawful owner of that gun. You can't go out and buy a gun if you truthfully answer on the forms that you have mental health issues or use drugs, and an array of other things that might make you a heightened risk to yourself or society. Yet the father knew his son was a risk and still bought him a gun. He gave a gun to someone who if they were old enough and answered truthfully would not permitted to own it if they tried to buy it themselves. Just like how you can't go out and legally buy your buddy with a felony record a pistol. Guns in the hands of the irresponsible lead to accidents and tragedies. If the ATF knew the kid had threatened to shoot up a school, how likely is it that they would allow him to own any type of gun? The dad knew.



have you seen the new 4473 and the box to check male female or non binary. on the same form it ask if you have a mental defect. checking non binary should instantly qualify as a mental defect and be a no sale. but it does not. at that point the form us now useless.

I may be wrong but I think you put to much stock in the system and laws working.

all of my kids had and have their own rifles shotguns and handguns. I think they got their first .22's around 4 or 5. centerline rifles by 6 or 7. handguns before 10 but it's not age but being responsible that determines what they get and when.

my kids had shot mutipal machine guns, 338 lapua , 50 bmg's, sbr's and suppressors all before they were 10. they have more experience than 90% of adults.

in this cast the dad failed not becus he gave his kid guns but becuse he allowed his kid to be head screwed by the lgbtq groups and live the Trans lie. that's is what is responsible for this not becuse dad bought his son a gun. heck he may have been hoping it was a phase and shooting and hunting would get him back to wanting to be a him.

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Re: And in other news, as scheduled, another shooting [Re: warrior] #8211061
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Ar is not an assault rifle. AR stands for Armalite rifle. The company that originally made the playform. Ar 15 doesn't come in .308. Look it up. Just because it looks scary to you, doesn't mean it's dangerous. It's just a tool.


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