Massac, with your reasoning, isn't the atf somehow responsible then too. Kinda dropped the ball and took no action before it happened.

Not today, ATF. I take the fifth on that.

Suffice it to say my younguns get proper supervision and training to be trusted with power tools.

What if the dad had tossed the keys of the family car to the kid and the kid crashed the doors and ran over those folks?

Same deal.

Dad's perfectly okay to allow Jr to drive the car on the family property. But not on the public roads. The question then is did Jr steal the car or did dad allow it.

That's what the jury has to determine.

The forms are convoluted, the laws are convoluted, there are many ways to slip through the cracks. Legally you can't own or buy a gun if you smoke pot. That's silly. And there are many other silly disqualifiers.

If I was the father in this situation could I accept that my flesh and blood may be some kind of monster? Probably not. I am looking at this from an outside perspective as we all are, and it was negligence to buy a kid with the history he had a gun of any sort. He should have not been able to access the guns that the father already owned after the history he had. I think we can all agree here that if we were the father in this situation (in our outside perspective) that there would have discipline, there would have been restrictions, and there would have been consequences. Sadly that's not what occured.

The fact of the matter is a gun was put into the hands of a mentally unfit individual. And the consequences of that are that there are 2 children's bedrooms that will forever remain empty, there's a husband who will never speak to his wife again, a wife who will never speak to her husband again. These 4 people are now gone and cannot be brought back. Countless others are scarred for life from what they experienced.

The ones responsible for the above paragraph now need to face the consequences. A kid for pulling the trigger, and a father for putting that trigger at his finger tips. It was a lapse in judgement on the father's part. I don't think he deserves to live out the rest of his life in a prison cell, and I hope he doesn't... But he was a major contributor to what unfolded whether he was blinded by bias or not. It's an unfortunate situation for him, but consequences and punishment are deserved in my opinion.

I would still be in prison. I gave my kids their own guns and ammo and they kept them in their own rooms. I stayed and still stay in their business. But times are different for some reason. Even then it was never I got a gun, it was well meet and settle this like men.
This may be wrong to say, but in one instance both I and the other father showed up and let the boys settle their dispute away from school property. Now here’s what folks won’t believe, my son and that boy have hunted together afterwards. They’ve been to each others house for dinner.

This is how the red flag laws begin. Just like neighbors ratting on one another during covid for having people over.

And you can bet there will be neighbors you never thought would turn you in do exactly that. I’m starting to think I may not have enough ammo and powder on hand.

you never have enough on hand NEVER!!!

I sure hope you didn't give them any guns given your earlier statement indicating that you believe them capable of anything. Training has nothing to do with it, if a kid's going off the deep end there isn't any amount of training that's going to stop him/her. Hate to see you up on murder charges.

Same here. I received a gun for my birthday every year from eleven-years-old to my late teens. They were proudly displayed in a gun rack on my bedroom wall. Ammo was in a dresser drawer.

Similar with my kids.

But did your kids ever shoot anyone or give you any reason to think they would? Or were you the father that payed attention and stayed involved in their lives? If one were to have shown issues such as extreme anger, trans or made threats, would you ignore or get them some help? Have you lived your life as an example to them?

This may be hard for any of y'all to believe as you don't live in the sort of world or community that produces these monsters but there are grown folks out there that are not much better than wild animals raising kids to be just as wild.

You've done right by your's and you have nothing to worry about. This ain't about the gun, it's about raising kids right.

I sure hope you didn't give them any guns given your earlier statement indicating that you believe them capable of anything. Training has nothing to do with it, if a kid's going off the deep end there isn't any amount of training that's going to stop him/her. Hate to see you up on murder charges.




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Capable and doing are two different things. We are all capable of doing horrific things, ain't none of us above falling for evil. But thank God above most of us had parents and community that taught us right from wrong and were involved enough in our lives that the deep end never came near.

BTW, even as adults any of us can go off the deep end so surround yourself with good people and community. I'm sure your local church might have a few.

We get it, you are father of the century, the rest of us just got lucky.

Anything but, amazing mine turned out sane.

So what's next? A federal regulation that all guns be kept in a safe? A vault? Stored in an approved facility until needed? All they need is an excuse to keep you "safe".

Nothing is next. Watch Georgia, sure the yard apes under the gold dome will posture for the cameras but the adults in charge will never allow anything to come to the floor much less a vote.

On the federal level, y'all tell me you got a say in that vote. What y'all doing to elect adults?

I never gave my kids any guns. Of course they could use mine. I made them buy their own." You want a gun, get a job! "I guess I'm not father of the year.

I am worried the new battle cry will be to make it a crime to gift someone a gun.

I must say I am pretty shocked by Warrior's stance on this.