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Re: Broadhead Talk [Re: SGT. C] #8213300
09/10/24 09:09 PM
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I like to tinker with my setups and currently am on the heavier side of things at about 660 grain total weight with 200 grain vpa single bevels. I have only shot 4 deer with this setup and can't give a strong opinion one way or the other because they have all been double lungs or heart shots that any setup wouldve done the job. I have noticed since I switched back to fixed blades from mechanicals that I have yet to have a deer take off on a death run that happened regularly with mechanicals. That's 15 deer or so that only 2 have died out of eyesight hunting in timber. Most of those were with a 500 grain arrow using Magnus black hornets. I will never shoot mechanicals again personally but I have seen a few instances after doing a necropsy where the broad head choice has resulted in recovering the deer that likely would've been lost had the opposing broad head been used as in using a mechanical instead of fixed blades and vise versa.

Re: Broadhead Talk [Re: SGT. C] #8213371
09/10/24 10:24 PM
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Re: Broadhead Talk [Re: WI Outdoors] #8213405
09/10/24 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by WI Outdoors
Originally Posted by midlander

Tracking dog guy certainly has some experience tracking dogs, but probably not real scientific. Here is a study that is likely more scientific and more believable for me.
I will state for the record, everone should shoot whatever they're comfortable with, but dont try to poopoo others....especially when the facts appear to conclude just the opposite....



https://deerassociation.com/high-deer-recovery-rates-fixed-blade-mechanical-broadheads/#:~:text=Mechanical%20vs.,209%20out%20of%20230%20hit).



I know more people that switched back to fixed heads. Another forum I go on that's 99% hunting kinda shows the trend. Many of these guys are hard core. They only bow hunt. They scout year round. It's all they do. They dont fish or golf. They just hunt. I'll take their word and results over a weekend warrior's word any day. Mechanicals do work of course, but they can fail too. The fixed head that's super sharp is better. It just is.

I do all the things you mentioned and would definitely not call myself a "weekend warrior". Back in 82 my first broadhead was the Thunderheads in 125. Switched to the jakhammers in the mid 90's and never looked back unless shooting pass throughs. Dabbled a bit over the years but settled in on the RAGE hypodermics for both my vertical bow and wifes crossbow. Son, daughter, son in law, daughter in law all shoot the same thing. NEVER had one issue with a mechanical head. They leave bigger holes and more blood on the ground and most drop within easy eye sight in the thick north woods of Wisconsin. With a couple hundred animals shot with these I'd say they are pretty reliable. The argument either way is a nonsense one. Both styles are reliable and efficient and if it gives a person confidence in their equipment then whichever someone decides to go with is the right one to use. If you asked a hundred "die hards" which they prefer I guarantee the numbers will be very similar. Ask me how I know.

Re: Broadhead Talk [Re: Providence Farm] #8213533
09/11/24 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
wi outdoors what's not speculation is the fact I have never lost a deer with the two expanding heads I listed above out of dozens. but I have lost them with fixed blades. it's not tow hard to understand an extra 3/4" cut ya almost double the size hole would have increased the chance of cutting up the lungs and important thing more than the smaller hole it got.. like I clearly stated I can't prove it but think it is likely they would have been recovered. Even in what I wrote I clearly say I can't prove it but believe. so it's my opinion based on years of experience. Yet you feel the need to post talking about speculation.

your right it can't be proven. had a friend hit a nice buck high in the back with an expanding head. He was on the ground so flat shot angle actually angering slightly up becus the deer was on a small hill. He didn't find it . 2 weeks later it was back on Camara with big hole in his back that was healing nicely. it was the same shot location of every deer I have lost so yes its possible it may not have made a difference on a few of them mainly the ones that were longer shots with little to no downward angle. But I believe the Close shots with steep angles it would have made all the difference. But like I said It can't be proven. yet I have never lost a single deer shooting an expanding head personally but I can't say the same for fixed blades. there are some real junk expanding heads with week bladed that break off. I will never shoot a rage at a deer again once was enough Gave the rest of them away..

fixed blades are better on heavy bone mechanicals are less likely to have a blade hit a twig and deflect and leave a bigger blood trail. shot a squirrel once I would not have killed had I been shooting an expanding head at the time. a single blade cut its throat would have missed with an expanding head most likely.

there are pros and cons to everything. I have killed a lot of deer with a bow . Killed my first several deer with a bow at about 13. Several years I bow hunted all gun season never taking a gun hunting. any head will work some better than others. some guys say they like here I wouldn't hunt with becuse the tend to wind plane and loose blades easily. But it's what they like and works for them and I don't say a thing about it to them..

But lots of experts sure chime in their opinion and the best part is they state they got their opinions about them based on what they see on tv NOT personal experience. let that sink in.

No expert. Just sharing what I've seen over the years. We're all having a conversation here. Not a pissing match. We're all on the same team. I personally don't care what others shoot.


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Re: Broadhead Talk [Re: SGT. C] #8213583
09/11/24 08:17 AM
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My bow is tuned and I can group field points, mechanicals and fixed blades all together

Use what you have confidence in

I have a mix in my quiver

Deer here are not huge and anything sharp will kill one

Pigs are nuisance/pests so if one runs off and is not recovered I don't lose any sleep

Having said all of that, if I was forced to make a choice and that is all I could use, I would choose fixed every time just because of the simplicity which decrease the chance of failure

Re: Broadhead Talk [Re: SGT. C] #8213609
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Re: Broadhead Talk [Re: 330-Trapper] #8213614
09/11/24 09:03 AM
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I like those. Along with Magnus Buzzcuts. They're very similar.


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Re: Broadhead Talk [Re: SGT. C] #8213830
09/11/24 05:26 PM
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I’ve killed a deer with essentially a field point since the Rage did not open. Luckily it ran about 150 yards straight away and then turned and ran straight back to me and passed the stand about 30yds and died.

Everyone knows if you hit lungs/heart it’s a dead deer. Now how far it runs I believe is what happens before the shot. I’ve never understood or will ever understand why anyone would alert a deer that danger is around before releasing. I refuse to alert a deer. If I don’t have a shot, I don’t take it. Like I’ve said, we’ve watched all our deer fall within sight. Some deer had no idea they were even hit.

The issue with mechanicals vs fixed is not the heart/lung shots through ribs…it’s that shot through solid bone. Is that mechanical making it through that shoulder bone and taking out both lungs and exiting? Once it hits that shoulder bone are both blades still doing their job or is one broke or bent and no longer penetrating or changed its trajectory? Can’t say I’ve seen blades ever coming off or breaking on a fixed blade, but have seen it on mechanicals. If you can make that perfect shot every time then it’s not an issue. I’ve seen both the Montec and Exodus go in ribs and shatter leg bones or shoulder on the other side with complete passthroughs. Only seen one mechanical do that.

And I’ll say a lot has to do with the size of the deer as well. With mechanicals I’ve never NOT got a passthrough on a doe, but can’t say the same with bucks. The last pig I shot with a mechanical I almost had a complete passthrough, the fletching hung up on exit. I still watched that hog fall within sight.

Another thing I’ve always thought about was if an arrow doesn’t exit, a fixed head is still cutting as the critter runs. I don’t think a mechanical is with blades just flopping.

Re: Broadhead Talk [Re: Savell] #8213920
09/11/24 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Savell
Slick trick
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They fly great for a fixed blade.
I use rage. I'm sure schwacker will work fine.

Re: Broadhead Talk [Re: SGT. C] #8213924
09/11/24 08:04 PM
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I will give the swacks a try. Plenty of does still around from last year. Whack a couple. Then settle in for.the big boy.
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Re: Broadhead Talk [Re: SGT. C] #8213955
09/11/24 08:22 PM
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