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Re: Can someone explain thermals to me? [Re: bucksnbears] #8221199
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Originally Posted by bucksnbears
Originally Posted by warrior
Water is a heat sink so can have warm air rising over it.

Thermals explained as simple as I can.

All things equal, flat land/no wind.

Land has various colors/materials.

Dark colors or masses like water absorb solar heat. Light colors or vegetated (insulated) do not.

Now assuming cold air, or just cooler, air mass in place the warmed surfaces heat the air above and hot air rises.

Now throw in variables of terrain wind and weather and thermals can be fickle but one constant is found most everywhere. Sunrise which usually occurs at the coldest time of day so thermals are most prevalent and likely to be generated after sunrise as the sun heats the ground surface.

The inverse can be true as the sun sets and the ground effect diminishes.

Yep.
I think water can affect thermals.

It definitely does. Hunt a wood edge that butts up to a marsh. You'll see.

Re: Can someone explain thermals to me? [Re: bucksnbears] #8221201
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Living on a river with high bluffs you notice it. Also a temperature gradient from river bank to ridge top.

Big south facing black coal dust bottomed shallow slough for the front yard and I rarely had frost while the ridge a hundred feet above was white.


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Re: Can someone explain thermals to me? [Re: Wanna Be] #8221204
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I’ve noticed it in elevation, just never thought about it on flat land. I do know mornings equal less spooked deer and evenings equal more.

Re: Can someone explain thermals to me? [Re: Wanna Be] #8221211
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Re: Can someone explain thermals to me? [Re: Wanna Be] #8221226
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Any place where two different kinds of terrain come together can have some odd thermals such as where a swampy area meets woods or farmland ect some are so powerful that you can actually feel them

Also plowed land creates some awesome thermals just ask any hang glider



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Re: Can someone explain thermals to me? [Re: Wanna Be] #8221305
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I never even thought about them until I started hunting some public land that has some steep hills 250' elevation changes. Before that experience I had read about them in hunting magazines when I was a kid and read them but never paid it any attention. Then in the hills with the wind in my face and deer walking to me I was very obviously winded. I couldn't figure it out until a friend told me I had to watch the thermals there and pick some milkweed and use it to test the wind. I did and got a surprising education on how thermals can run your hunt. milk week floats along and really shows how the wind is moving.

Re: Can someone explain thermals to me? [Re: WI Outdoors] #8221318
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Originally Posted by WI Outdoors
Deer will walk the thermal tunnel on the top 2/3 rds of a hill too. They bed on the leeward side so they can see in front of them down the hill and get the air from behind them. Terrain has a huge effect, just like a rock creates an eddie in the river.



Also called the military crest. Predominant bedding areas for a mature whitetail. They can often smell what's above and below them at the same time as a result of wind and thermal currents interacting together.

In my limited experience as an elk hunter I have noticed the heaviest travel corridors at the same location.

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Re: Can someone explain thermals to me? [Re: ol' dad] #8221337
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Originally Posted by ol' dad
Originally Posted by WI Outdoors
Deer will walk the thermal tunnel on the top 2/3 rds of a hill too. They bed on the leeward side so they can see in front of them down the hill and get the air from behind them. Terrain has a huge effect, just like a rock creates an eddie in the river.



Also called the military crest. Predominant bedding areas for a mature whitetail. They can often smell what's above and below them at the same time as a result of wind and thermal currents interacting together.

In my limited experience as an elk hunter I have noticed the heaviest travel corridors at the same location.

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Hunting the ridges back home I realized that steep slopes combined with a breeze can have updraft swirling over the top like eddies in a stream. Breezes in ridges and hollers can be tough to hunt.


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Re: Can someone explain thermals to me? [Re: Wanna Be] #8221367
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Hunting ridges in CO we would walk along the top in the middle of the day. Toss a big rock off in likely spots. Bedded deer will run down to the bottom, then about half way up the other side. Stop and look back. Pretty effective tactic in pinion and cedar pockets.


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Re: Can someone explain thermals to me? [Re: Wanna Be] #8221414
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What drives thermals is the phenomenon of cooler air displacing warmer air below it because cooler air is heavier (more dense).

Re: Can someone explain thermals to me? [Re: Wanna Be] #8221494
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all deer except rutting bucks base their movement much, much more on the thermal flow of air rather than the wind direction because the thermal flow of air is basically the same every day. Variations in thermal flow are caused by the amount of sunlight and the direction the slope faces and ambient temps. But the flow basically stays the same it just happens a bit earlier or later due to those things..and slope direction is something that does not vary for that slope.

i have heard very stupid folks say that deer always walk into the wind.....


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