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Contender lovers people #8225503
09/29/24 10:37 PM
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Well finally found a deal on one. 45/.410. New gun shop in town seems to have a nack for finding stuff .
Anyhow

Gonna keep it as a pistol but was curious about the whole carbine deal. Like are you able to take a pistol and put a carbine stock on it without any legal fuss as long as the barrel is over 16" ? Or is it one of those deals that if the receiver is registered as a pistol it has to stay one or be "braced" like a AR ? Tired reading on it and idk info is a lil conflicting. Any of y'all who love these mind mind helping clear this up for me

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Re: Contender lovers people [Re: Wolfdog91] #8225507
09/29/24 10:43 PM
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Contact atf with your questions.

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Re: Contender lovers people [Re: Wolfdog91] #8225591
09/30/24 05:27 AM
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what I was told when I wanted to do one by an FFL holder, if its registered as a pistol, it has to stay a pistol. thats why AR lowers are now stamped multi.

Re: Contender lovers people [Re: Wolfdog91] #8225596
09/30/24 05:49 AM
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With a 16 inch barrel I wouldn't worry about it. Especially in MS. ATF isn't going to worry about a single shot thats configured to meet rifle definitions.


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Re: Contender lovers people [Re: Wolfdog91] #8225640
09/30/24 07:37 AM
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Honestly never gave it a thought, I put a rifle stock on mine with the one 16" barrel I have and switched the scope from a pistol scope to a rifle scope, and have loaned that to clients to shoot lions with. With a folding stock and short barrel it fits in a pack great and with a single shot I don't have to worry about some guy I don't know behind me with a loaded gun once they shoot. Switch back to a pistol for other barrels and using myself. Never even thought of it possibly being illegal until this post, the barrel was long enough so I assumed it could go either way.

Re: Contender lovers people [Re: Wolfdog91] #8225649
09/30/24 08:04 AM
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ATF has a website that might answer your question.

I remember reading an article decades ago on a similar vein. My recollection is that Remington developed the bolt action used on the XP-100 and then also developed the Rem 600 rifle on the same action. The reason for using the action on the XP-100 first had to do with prohibitions at the time on using a rifle action to make a pistol, but not a pistol action to make a rifle. This was in the early to mid 1960s so gun laws have changed since then.

Re: Contender lovers people [Re: Wolfdog91] #8225743
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Are we talking about the T/C Contender?
I asked and was told by my local sheriff department to just put a brace on it, that way I can run any length barrel and be safe.

Re: Contender lovers people [Re: Ridge Runner1960] #8225747
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Originally Posted by Ridge Runner1960
what I was told when I wanted to do one by an FFL holder, if its registered as a pistol, it has to stay a pistol. thats why AR lowers are now stamped multi.



there are exceptions tor the tc pistols.

Re: Contender lovers people [Re: Wolfdog91] #8225751
09/30/24 11:15 AM
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yes if it starts as an other , or pistol and goes Pistol first then it can go rifle and return pistol so long as it wasn't transferred as a rifle.

this is why we buy all AR lowers as other and make them a pistol first that way they can go back and forth as long as we own them.

also barrel lenght isn't what makes something a rifle

you can absolutly have a 16 inch barrel pistol , a stock make it a rifle be it a regular >27inch with >16 inch barrel or a SBR


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Re: Contender lovers people [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #8225753
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Originally Posted by GREENCOUNTYPETE
yes if it starts as an other , or pistol and goes Pistol first then it can go rifle and return pistol so long as it wasn't transferred as a rifle.

this is why we buy all AR lowers as other and make them a pistol first that way they can go back and forth as long as we own them.

also barrel lenght isn't what makes something a rifle

you can absolutly have a 16 inch barrel pistol , a stock make it a rifle be it a regular >27inch with >16 inch barrel or a SBR




This is the standard answered but again there were exceptions made for TC but I no longer have the links it's been to many years since it was relevant to me since I'm no longer interested in long baral single shot handguns and out grew that phase of my life.

edit: in my quick 5 mind search I can no find anything to support my years old memory to link and even if I could it would likely be a determination letter that was sent to a single person and would not hold up for others. So to be safe follow Green county's post above.


The kicker is like for me I bought my last encore as a 50 cal muzzle loading rifle. But I have no idea if the shop called it in as an other or a rifle.

or of you buy a tc handgun used from an individual or a shop you have no idea what it was sold as from the factory. So technically you could easily get hammered on that however unlikely it's still a possibility and one of the reasons why I think tc was able to get an exemption. But in a quick search I could not find anything to back that up and I'm not willing to spend any more time on it. so to be safe.
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Re: Contender lovers people [Re: Wolfdog91] #8226114
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I did find reference that there was a lawsuit to the effect of they could all go back and forth as they all started life as an other.

possibly that they were all shipped to dealers with no barrel and it was the dealer selling the barrel as a separate accessory to the "other"

I looked a little could not find the case


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Re: Contender lovers people [Re: Wolfdog91] #8226137
09/30/24 09:33 PM
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I found one that said if they were sold in a kit with both rifle and pistol parts it was good to go but not being the topic of discussion and not nailing it down 100% I didn't copy the link.

at the end of the day its very unlikely someone will have an issue using a single shot pistol that started as a rifle. it would take being Trump for anyone to bother digging to come up with something like that to charge you on.

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Re: Contender lovers people [Re: Wolfdog91] #8226200
10/01/24 12:12 AM
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Thanks for the increase in sales off the new coondog rings with your posts......


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