Re: Prescribed Fire
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10/08/24 02:31 PM
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I suspect it is a very valuable tool provided that the soil temperatures don't get too high. Regular low intensity controlled burns, particularly growing season burns, keep the fuel loads that raise temps to a minimum.
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Re: Prescribed Fire
[Re: Leroy Bob]
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10/08/24 02:46 PM
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RX burning is a wonderful tool in the right setting. I burn annually if conditions warrant it. It creates tender young browse and releases nutrients back into the soil. Some species such as Jack Pine are dependent on fire to open the cones. A low intensity fire does wonders for a White Pine stand as well and creates a great seed bed.
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Re: Prescribed Fire
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10/08/24 02:53 PM
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Mo conducts and I attended controlled burn classes for land owners/managers. There's a LOT of technical details to be aware of. Might check to see if your states DNR does the same, and has the wherewithall to assist with the tech data and manpower. Well worth the effort, as you can adjust the types of vegetation on the land to support whatever wildlife you wish to assist.
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Re: Prescribed Fire
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I wished that the greater minds in charge of our CRP programs would feel the same. Sadly they only allow cutting when someone somewhere has a dry year. Many of the CRP fields here that started out as wonderful native grass stands are nothing but a mostly useless stand of brome…. We “accidentally” had a fire get out of control a couple years ago and the areas affected are 100 times more utilized by animals that the conservation ground adjacent to it. Oh shucks.. when utilized properly it is an amazing transformation to the land.
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Re: Prescribed Fire
[Re: Leroy Bob]
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10/08/24 04:27 PM
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Many plant seeds will lie dormant till fire lets them germinate, like most pine tree species.
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Re: Prescribed Fire
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I suspect it is a very valuable tool provided that the soil temperatures don't get too high. Regular low intensity controlled burns, particularly growing season burns, keep the fuel loads that raise temps to a minimum. Keeps temps to a minimum because of the green growth? I’d like to burn around some pine and hardwoods but am worried about resulting mortality and reduced stumpage value when we cut timber
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Re: Prescribed Fire
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A low intensity fire does wonders for a White Pine stand as well and creates a great seed bed. Do you run into issues with post-fire merchantability of the White Pine? I’m thinning some of our mature pine and want to underburn, but would hate to create fire scars and reduce future timber value. Conversely, I’d be really excited to reduce that duff layer and see the hardwood understory response. My primary goal on the property is to increase winter browse for deer.
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Re: Prescribed Fire
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Many plant seeds will lie dormant till fire lets them germinate, like most pine tree species. I’m wanting to increase browse on the property. Could the seeds lie dormant for decades? I’d love to see a response from a bunch of native forbs and grasses.
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Re: Prescribed Fire
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10/08/24 09:49 PM
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A low intensity fire does wonders for a White Pine stand as well and creates a great seed bed. Do you run into issues with post-fire merchantability of the White Pine? I’m thinning some of our mature pine and want to underburn, but would hate to create fire scars and reduce future timber value. Conversely, I’d be really excited to reduce that duff layer and see the hardwood understory response. My primary goal on the property is to increase winter browse for deer. I don't cut any White Pine on my little chunk of dirt. Between Blister Rust, Porcupines and rabbits on the young saplings WP has been declining here for years. I want every single tree for seed trees. Other species get logged but White Pine, White Cedar, Red Oak and Apples all get left untouched. I have seen cat faces on large, mature WP from hot, long duration fires. If you burn when the soil is moist, you can eliminate the duff layer and set back brush encroachment. Even if the WP bole scorches, it would typically only be in the first 8 foot stick of the tree. In my former life when we did RX burns, the "acceptable" loss on mature pines was 10% or less. If you burn under the right conditions, 5% mortality is easy to achieve, especially if you reduce ladder fuels like Balsam. If you really wanted to over achieve, you could rake the pine straw away from the bases of your mature pines.
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