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2A--Michigan Law #8234370
10/12/24 09:33 AM
10/12/24 09:33 AM
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2A Sanctuaries-W. OK & N. NM
Blaine County Offline OP
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I properly store guns......wherever I want. And, my kids know they are tools.

Encouraging children to narc on their parents or the parents of other children is not good. And what is the "violation"? I don't know if Michigan has some law regarding locking up weapons.

https://www.nraila.org/articles/202...ll-funding-tipline-to-turn-in-gun-owners

Today, Governor Whitmer signed House Bill 5503, creating a "tipline" to turn in gun owners for perceived violations of Michigan's firearm storage laws. HB 5503 is an omnibus education funding bill that was amended to include the "tipline" language and swiftly passed through the legislature within hours. The expedited pace and the silencing of opposition when the bill came up for a floor vote underscores the reality that this was a political move and another attack on gun owners.

House Bill 5503 allocates up to $1,000,000 to establish a tipline for students to anonymously report improperly stored firearms. The money is allocated for the 2024-2025 school year and will be made accessible to intermediate school districts. The bill also funds the creation and distribution of educational materials to students outlining the safe storage of firearms and how to report violations.

This "tipline" could result in unwarranted interactions with law enforcement and unfettered searches of homes, business, and other places where firearms could be stored.

Re: 2A--Michigan Law [Re: Blaine County] #8234374
10/12/24 09:39 AM
10/12/24 09:39 AM
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sounds like unlawful search to me. I store thing how I see fit. we are not Canada after all.

Re: 2A--Michigan Law [Re: Blaine County] #8234376
10/12/24 09:40 AM
10/12/24 09:40 AM
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Northern Michigan
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We, at least most of the people I run with, are not proud of the way our powers-that-be are using their time.


Re: 2A--Michigan Law [Re: Blaine County] #8234383
10/12/24 09:51 AM
10/12/24 09:51 AM
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Minnesota
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wow


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Re: 2A--Michigan Law [Re: Blaine County] #8234406
10/12/24 10:28 AM
10/12/24 10:28 AM
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Iowa
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Iowa
But it's for the children.

Re: 2A--Michigan Law [Re: Blaine County] #8234409
10/12/24 10:38 AM
10/12/24 10:38 AM
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I spent my childhood in a house full of guns. Including one leaning up by the back door for chicken killers. I survived. Might have been my dad drilling gun safety into my head as far back as I can remember. Might have been seeing a 22 drop a 1200 pound steer in his tracks at butcher time. Might have been cause I grew up knowing what death is rather than shielded from it. Or Kamala is right and I just got lucky surviving irresponsible parents grandparents and great grandparents.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: 2A--Michigan Law [Re: Blaine County] #8234411
10/12/24 10:42 AM
10/12/24 10:42 AM
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Grampas chicken protector then dads now mine. Still hits where you aim it.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: 2A--Michigan Law [Re: Blaine County] #8234425
10/12/24 11:15 AM
10/12/24 11:15 AM
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Georgia
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Re: 2A--Michigan Law [Re: trapdog1] #8234426
10/12/24 11:16 AM
10/12/24 11:16 AM
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St. Cloud, MN
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Originally Posted by trapdog1
But it's for the children.

Not far off. They are prosecuting parents for murder if their kid takes a gun out of the house and kills somebody. He77, half the people here agree with that thought process. This is not surprising to me at all.


"The voice of reason!"
Re: 2A--Michigan Law [Re: trapperkeck] #8234431
10/12/24 11:20 AM
10/12/24 11:20 AM
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Georgia
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Originally Posted by trapperkeck
Originally Posted by trapdog1
But it's for the children.

Not far off. They are prosecuting parents for murder if their kid takes a gun out of the house and kills somebody. He77, half the people here agree with that thought process. This is not surprising to me at all.


I don't agree on the gun part. I do agree on turning out monsters.

IMO, juvenile commits heinous crimes and it can be proven parental indifference then toss the parents in jail.


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Re: 2A--Michigan Law [Re: Blaine County] #8234442
10/12/24 11:46 AM
10/12/24 11:46 AM
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In my way of thinking ALL children should be required to take firearms safety whether or not they are sportsmen.

Re: 2A--Michigan Law [Re: Blaine County] #8234446
10/12/24 12:13 PM
10/12/24 12:13 PM
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To much of a slippery slope warrior moving goal post and vaguely writing laws open to interpretation and that interpretation changes depend on who is in charge. Just look at the NFA things recently for an example. Years of bump stocks and pistol braces were ok they they were not now they are again.

Re: 2A--Michigan Law [Re: Blaine County] #8234448
10/12/24 12:20 PM
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MD
Hopefully, their tipline gets 1000 calls a day, with " tips" about whoever introduced and voted for the bill....

Re: 2A--Michigan Law [Re: Blaine County] #8234460
10/12/24 12:43 PM
10/12/24 12:43 PM
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We could repeal 90% of the laws in this country and be fine. Murder assault theft. What else is there?


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: 2A--Michigan Law [Re: Providence Farm] #8234472
10/12/24 01:01 PM
10/12/24 01:01 PM
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Georgia
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
To much of a slippery slope warrior moving goal post and vaguely writing laws open to interpretation and that interpretation changes depend on who is in charge. Just look at the NFA things recently for an example. Years of bump stocks and pistol braces were ok they they were not now they are again.


That's the problem with the politization of the criminal justice system.

As Danny said we need to pare back the list of offenses. What's the difference between crime and hate crime?

Should be simple to understand not a long algorithm of an IF/THEN statement.

Who knows it might make folks better parents.


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Re: 2A--Michigan Law [Re: warrior] #8234535
10/12/24 02:43 PM
10/12/24 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by warrior
Originally Posted by Providence Farm
To much of a slippery slope warrior moving goal post and vaguely writing laws open to interpretation and that interpretation changes depend on who is in charge. Just look at the NFA things recently for an example. Years of bump stocks and pistol braces were ok they they were not now they are again.


That's the problem with the politization of the criminal justice system.

As Danny said we need to pare back the list of offenses. What's the difference between crime and hate crime?

Should be simple to understand not a long algorithm of an IF/THEN statement.

Who knows it might make folks better parents.

Lawyers don't make any money on cut and dried cases.


"The voice of reason!"
Re: 2A--Michigan Law [Re: Blaine County] #8234561
10/12/24 03:20 PM
10/12/24 03:20 PM
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Danny's right Any new gun laws are aimed at lawabiding citizens As our Mich Ag said in reference to the MSU shooter who had multiple shoplifting offences and caught with an unregistered handgun recieved 5 years probation and shot up the college "If we enforced the gun laws to there fullest extent we'd have to build more prisons" that statement was on 9 and 10 news as she explained why he wasn't spending time in jail for unlawful carrying of a weapon


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Re: 2A--Michigan Law [Re: Blaine County] #8234575
10/12/24 03:50 PM
10/12/24 03:50 PM
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Nothing that can’t be broke into if you want it bad enough if you have kids proper steps should be taken to protect them the government should stay out of the final decision.


Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!

Jerry Herbst
Re: 2A--Michigan Law [Re: Blaine County] #8234582
10/12/24 03:56 PM
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Surprised Stretchin’ Gretchen found time to pass any laws when she’s so busy fixin’ the da** roads

Re: 2A--Michigan Law [Re: Blaine County] #8234585
10/12/24 04:00 PM
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I have addressed this subject previously. It isn't about protecting anyone. It is about making a gun impossible to use in your own defense even in your own home. If a gun is impossible to use for defense, there is no longer a justification for having a gun for defense. Just another step in the process of destroying the 2A.

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