One: Don't try turning your 14-year old into a felon

Two: Make sure your intel is correct

Three: Baseball bats generally don't do well against a pistol

Overall, its a sad tale but it needs to be told.



So, my little metro in southeast SoDak land that was only a third of the population when I graduated high school 40+ years ago has undergone some changes.

I don't know how long this particular family has been living here, if for a long time, they probably haven' been very observant, especially when it comes to how easy it is to carry a pistol in this state. If they didn't know, perhaps someone should have told them but maybe it wouldn't have mattered. If your culture is all about machismo and family honor, they probably wouldn't have listened.

The 23-year old son of the family was "assaulted" by some guys driving motorcycles. I'm not sure what that actually means and I don't know if the cop news conference actually explained it but he was in good enough shape to want to get some pay back. He tells his dad (age 44), his mom (somewhere around 40), and his little brother (age 14) and they all agree that the family honor needs to be respected and they'll do it themselves.

Someone in the family gets intel from their homies (or someone's homies) that the guys that "assaulted" the 23-year old are at a C-store across from one of the city's high schools (this is Thursday evening so school isn't in session but extracurricular activities there might have been finishing up). The family rolls out with 3 baseball bats and a pistol (probably a semi-auto). The 14-year is going to be one of the swingers so the family has already broke rule #1.

They also broke rule #2 by rolling out and not making sure the intel is correct and indeed the bikers at the C-store were the ones that assaulted the 23-year old. It turns out that they weren't the bad guys who "assaulted" junior. The family reaches the C-store and the three males jump out with the bats.

The details in the news aren't overly clear where the biker that the three hombres decided to go after was located but it doesn't sound like it was in the store or directly near it. The 23-year old decides he gets to swing first (and violates rule #3) and its unclear if the 26-year biker pulls his pistol and tells junior to stop or just shoots first. The biker drops the 23-year old with one shot to the chest.

Dad obviously loses his mind and comes a swinging next. I'm not sure how this death dance plays out, but in the end the dad takes four rounds to the body from the biker. No real word on what the 14-year did, just stand there in shock or did he run back to the family vehicle but mom now tries to enter the fight with their pistol. For whatever reason, it doesn't work but biker man has seen this action and gets off at least one round at her, wounding her in an arm.

The 26-year ld biker man realizes that this is a really bad deal and walks over to the sidewalk next to the store, puts his pistol down, and puts his hands up awaiting for the cops that are a coming, about 8 to 10 police vehicles end up eventually at the scene. The 23-year old is laying dead in the parking lot, but the 44-year dad gets loaded into an ambulance but dies later, probably during surgery from his multiple wounds.The mom is treated at the hospital for her bullet wound to an arm and then arrested for aggrieved assault, and by Friday morning is hit with a $750,000 bond. The 26-year old biker man has not been arrested as of last night local tv news. No word on what happened to the 14-year but because he's a juvie, probably nothing will be told. I'm sure he's now a mental mess.

None of it should have happened but sometimes people's culture works against them. What a mess...

https://www.keloland.com/news/local-news/thursday-shooting-2-dead-1-behind-bars/

*Shaking my head*

Very Sad!!!! Times have changed for worst in this country.

Sad thing that ego vents in such way's !!

What ever happened to a good old fist fight? There used to be a couple of fist fights a week at all the local watering holes. Nobody ever thought about shooting some one beating them with a bat. What a world we live in.

Someone oughta buy the biker a beer or 6. He probably needs a few. This is why you dont go places without a gun.

Unreal !

I used to love to fight it was fun. Today if I need to throw a punch it will be something I cant.walk away from. If I can't walk.away it's life.or.death. At that point look out.

How in the world did this family end up in South Dakota?

You said 'Ombre' like as in something you'd see from Los Angeles.
That kind of gang violence?

I know there was a lot of hillbilly meth type. But are the "Ombre" gange bangers moving to SD?

[quote=Mrs Langley]How in the world did this family end up in South Dakota?

You said 'Ombre' like as in something you'd see from Los Angeles.
That kind of gang violence?

I know there was a lot of hillbilly meth type. But are the "Ombre" gange bangers moving to SD?
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Sioux Falls is full of people from everywhere. More every day. It’s doing what it can to become like every other craphole city. By far the worst part of this state.

You dont think the dude was out of line to shooting someone swinging and bat at him do you? Or do you just mean people werent attacking people with bats back then…

Devastating all around.

I was asking about the demographic you're implying because I grew up in a very urban part of CA. Last night, as I was working I heard a couple guys talking and one of them sounded like he about straight up came out of Oakland.
It was very strange as I haven't heard anyone talk like that here.

Made me wonder how many people are migrating out and planting themselves in conservative communities. I get them moving to "Austin" and " Houston" but the area I'm in is having none of that. As I would assume SD would feel about it, too.

Affordability is literally non-existent. So I can see "why" I just find it unusual

Sioux Falls is full of people from everywhere. More every day. It’s doing what it can to become like every other craphole city. By far the worst part of this state. [/quote]

I see.

In my younger days, fighting was just what we did. Even when working for Uncle there were certain establishments we frequented just to fight. We knew it and everyone there knew it. If you didn’t want to fight you frequented a more entertaining establishment.
Never once did anyone think to pull out a gun or any other weapon. Heck, half the guys you’d end up fighting you’d have lunch with the following week making fun of black eyes, crooked noses, or fat lips. Our fights were more inter rivalry vs civilians. But, if a civilian made the mistake of outnumbering someone or a group of someone then our “enemy” became our friends.
Now at my age, I’ve learned to just walk away. Words don’t bother me. Actions however, will have consequences. Come at me with bats and you’ll leave just like the article states. Pull a weapon and you’ll leave the same way. I’m about the age of too old to fight, but I will if you want to. But if there’s anyway to avoid it, I’ll avoid it. You can look into the eyes and tell intent.
With that said I recently had a guy cut me off at a gas pump of all places and in his rush he overshot the pump. Not being in a great mood already, I pulled in tight and got out to pump my gas. He stepped out and had some words and all I told him was “Today isn’t the day and you’re not that guy.” He saw I wasn’t in the mood and muttered a few other words while getting back in his car. I never once bowed up or flexed, I just wasn’t in the mood and he saw it. It was a Secondhand Lions type deal, I can show you better than I can tell you so just walk (drive) away.

Says nothing about the Martinezes be legals or illegals.

Lutheran Social services imports all kinds of imports and the packing plant attracts a lot of workers it could be either one of them that influenced this issue. I read somewhere years back that being named City of the year nation wide was a kiss if death to a culture it attracts everything bad from that point on.

It’s strange friends from out of town while in Sioux Falls witnessed a gang issue at the mall with 2 vehicles that were fighting. I’m my years of law enforcement and youth work I’ve never directly dealt with any SD bangers. MN yes from the Twin Cities lots of them but not SD youths.

I've always wondered when the trouble from big towns would migrate north where pickings are easy it has just seldom gets reported

Meat packing plants in MN, IA and SD attract not just workers but whole communities of them so they show up here and have no reason to blend into the community once they arrive. We have a low minority population but the “perp walks “ on the evening news is dominated almost exclusively minorities that’s just a fact.

"Easy pickings" just got 3 outta 4 members of the family shot.

Like I said, 40+ years ago when I graduated high school, Sioux Falls had a population of about 80,000 and the nearby suburb/little towns (within 10 miles of it) had maybe another 20,000, maybe.

Now Soo Foo itself is 215,000 or so and the same now "suburban ring" towns another 40,000+. A person goes to one of the Wally Worlds, especially the one on the east side where I stop occasionally, and its the United Nations.

As Law Dog said, Lutheran Social Services specializes in bringing people in from around the world, many of them are various types of refugees and not all. My mom, when she was retired, taught English as a second language for a branch of LSS in the mid-1980s. At that time, such folks were mostly true refugees but not all.

My parents' church sponsored an Ethiopian family about that time.My parents spent a considerable amount of time in helping this family out.After about a year, the man turned out to be a wife beater, a liar, and the check kiter. I can still remember my mom crying about it. Not everyone that comes in from somewhere is bad but not all of them are angels either. Human nature is human nature, its just more pronounced in some cultures.

A retired field grade Army officer I know believes that LSS and other similar NGOs have strong ties to Crusaders in Action and other DS entities. Such organization often have multiple reasons for bringing people in, some at cross purposes to each other.

Here's another fun fact for you all because I often uses such data in my paid work. The 1980 U.S. Census had the population at around 226 million. In 2020, it was 335 million. And yet over most of that time the overall U.S. TFR (total fertility rate) was below the replacement rate of about 2.1 to 2.3 kids per woman. Where did most of the 100+ million come from, mostly not from natural native-born reproduction (such as been here for at least several generations).

Talk later...