This has been rattling my brain for awhile now so I wanted to get your thoughts on it.

In the past, sets I’ve used only coyote pee on, I’ve found the coyotes show little interest in or they’ve avoided it all together. What is your success rate on sets lured with only coyote urine?

I’ve bought from the guy up in Montana some people don’t like. I’ve bought from both of the biggest supply houses. I get the same results.

My thought is a coyote can pick apart any attractant and smell the individual smells. A lot of these places that sell urine collect from various animals and they all end up in the same jug of pee. Seems a bit unnatural.

I’d love to hear your thoughts.

I've watched quite a few coyotes response to urine on cameras. Some to urine I've collected and a lot to urine other coyotes have desposited there on camera. Never seen a coyote not go check it out.

With the urine you’ve collected, is it urine from several different coyotes mixed in one bottle?

The urine other coyotes have deposited makes sense.

When you make a set, do you just use urine?

The urine i collected has been from a single animal so far. I'd honestly be surprised if I was collecting from multiple animals and mixing them if it would have any different effect.

I do make some sets with just urine

I was mainly asking the OP. The way I look at it, is a dog will pee on a log, particular bush, etc. another dog comes along and pees, then another, and another, and so on a so forth. That 5th dog that comes along is still gonna pee on that same spot with 4 other urine odors there. I think everyone is looking for that one penned up coyote out there that is the magic (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman). Wherever you put that urine, it will draw them in from miles around and every coyote in the State will be caught in the one set. It ain’t happening.

I will say, I've seem to notice when we have snow. That it seems coyotes don't pee on the exact spot another coyote has marked . It normally seems to be real close (like within a foot or closer) but not right on the same spot. Now I'm not an expert on it because I've only seen were multiple coyotes have marked a spot in the snow a handful of times but when I have seen it it's never over another's spot....???? I'd have to see it quiet a few times either way before I'd say with a lot of confidence which way was normal.

Seth,

that's interesting!

Thanks!

I’ve tried making sets with just urine I’ve purchased. The results were dismal.

I see what you’re thinking. Here’s my thoughts on that.

If a coyote comes past a certain spot every other night and one night he smells 10+ different coyotes. I bet he’d be on high alert thinking there are a bunch of new coyotes coming through.

As stated, coyotes don’t always mark on the exact spot so if every little pee spot smelled of a bunch of different coyotes, that would seem extra funny to a coyote.

I know there’s are a lot of guys who trap big numbers and use urine but how many only use urine with no other attractants.

If it were me, I would buy from someone I know and trust. Find out how they collect it. I’m not saying what you’re getting is watered down, but I always feel safer getting it from my buyer and knowing how he collects it and does things.

You would first have to assume coyotes can id different individual pee mixed within urine of multiple individuals. I'd have to see something that gives credit to this before I'd give any value to this theory. Not saying it's not possible but I try to work off evidence. I think there's bigger issues with commercial urine than them being collected from multiple individuals.

Definitely agree with you there

Personally, I’ve seen distinct differences (on individual coyotes mind you, slippery SOBs) between “aged” collection urine and single animal bladder urine.

I’ve killed coyotes on bladder urine that were not falling for the regular stuff.

Enough times to tell me they can tell a difference. Whether that difference matters 99% of the time is the question. And 99% of the time I don’t think it does matter.

I’ll tell you what matters ten times more than these pee debates, and that’s managing and minimizing your human scent (and overall intrusion) at locations. The devil may care bare hand boys can argue it all they want, it’s costing them coyotes. I’ve proven to myself WAY to many times there IS advantages to gloves, clean equipment, and drop clothes.

Boone, Im curious about those instances when you have seen bladder urine make a difference. Was it normally bladder urine from a local coyote? Or it didnt matter where it came from as long as it was bladder urine? I was wondering if that familiarity played a role?

I generally use what I have for bladder urine, which is usually outside urine from another area. If you haven’t been shooting or snaring many coyotes for a while, you may not have much on hand. Hard to get much of any from trapped coyotes.

But I’ve done both.

Working an intact adult pair in March-April that are being turds, hitting them with “strange” urine may be the ticket.

Trying to clean up the last of a family group in August, familiar may work better.

But I firmly believe coyotes, especially those that have been worked on, can tell the difference. I can tell the difference, so they certainly can.

I’ll also add, there is a distinct difference in single animal collection urine, and fresh bladder urine as well.

Tough to beat fresh from one animal.

Really fresh is on a whole nother level in my opoion

I’ll just catch the dumb coyotes and y’all play the pee game with the 1%’rs.

Someone did mention something that got me thinking. If you catch a coyote and collect the urine from it, do you use it on the same property? Or did you keep for another property? And now getting back to multiple urines? If you collect from caught coyotes, do you carry umpteen bottles for each individual coyote or do you squeeze all those bladders in one bottle?