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Re: If Hitler didn’t go to war [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #8237361
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The states today is uncannily similar politically to conditions in Weimar Germany between the w wars


Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
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Listen to what the man says and with an open mind, take it into context of what happened in Europe and Russia during WW1.

Freedom or Slavery


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Re: If Hitler didn’t go to war [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #8237376
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You can watch AI translations of the speeches by Hitler, Goering, Himmler and the rest on YouTube.

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Re: If Hitler didn’t go to war [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #8237377
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You can't find that speech in Munich on Youtube. If you can please share it.


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Originally Posted by warrior
Originally Posted by Chancey
The German people are a fascinating race. Brilliant and full of science minded individuals. There country and nationality has been destroyed.

I'm not German, but was raised around a lot of them and Czech, Polish, Slavic descendants. Good folks; salt of the earth.


I recall standing in Dachau wondering how these genuinely nice hard working people could've done what they done.

Just look around the US today and there's my answer.



As you and I both know; evil is very real. Sometimes it wins the battle, but it will not win the war.


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Re: If Hitler didn’t go to war [Re: Chancey] #8237382
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Originally Posted by Chancey
You can't find that speech in Munich on Youtube. If you can please share it.


Here it is in German.



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Thanks Keith, but I don't speak or understand German.


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Re: If Hitler didn’t go to war [Re: Chancey] #8237387
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Originally Posted by Chancey
Thanks Keith, but I don't speak or understand German.


I watched it recently in English, within the last month, but it looks like YouTube took it down or demonetized it, so it can't be found without a direct word search. It was made by the same people, who did the other English versions and may be on their channel.

I don't think what the Nazis did to the Jews was a good thing. The Jews are not a cohesive whole, like the Jew haters believe. There were both bad and good Jews in Germany.

Here's the English written translation:

https://www.worldfuturefund.org/Articles/Hitler/hitler1939.html

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Agree 100%. A lot of Jews died during WW2, but so did everybody else. War is -

I do agree that the Jews are not a cohesive bunch, most of my thinking comes from Jewish writers. On the other hand, I will say that I 100% think that the powership that runs secular modern day Israel; as well as the United States and controls most of the western world is 100% entirely evil, controlled by Satan himself, and heckbent on destroying Christianity and mankind.


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Russia was not expansionist until the late 1930's, and then their primary expansionist motives were of a defensive nature against growing fascists threats.


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Originally Posted by Grandpa Trapper
I always wondered what would have happened to Germany if Hitler decided that peace was a better option for him (although I know it wasn’t in his blood). Would the 3rd Reich still exist today? Would Japan still have bombed Pearl Harbor? Would the Soviet Union attack Germany and, if so, would any of the remaining Allies join Germany? Any of you Historians on here have an opinion?

The US is in the same situation that Germany faced in the 1920s thru the 1930s
Same people, same playbook. History does repeat itself, over and over and over.

We would have still had a WW2 but it would have been against the Soviet Union after they had taken most of Europe
Just My opinion of course

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"My dear fellow Germans! A sudden commotion has come over the German people now! Even those circles are beginning to stir, which until now have been deaf to the constant warnings that we have been trying to address to the mass of our people almost without interruption for the past 3 years. Of course many people still do not know why they are upset, they believe that perhaps it is only about so-called special privileges or about the Restriction of freedom of speech, or about the politicization of the Civil Service, and so on. Certainly all these are extremely serious matters today, however it is about much more. It is about a huge process of destruction of our people and our Fatherland. This is happening now before our very eyes! All these things would be Trifles in themselves if they did not represent characteristics of a process which has been taking place for many years, and whose end will be a horrible one. We can all sense that now two worlds are colliding with each other, and not only here, but everywhere we look."

From the beginning of HItler's Freedom or Slavery speech. Sounds like something you might hear today.

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Re: If Hitler didn’t go to war [Re: waggler] #8237741
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Originally Posted by waggler
Russia was not expansionist until the late 1930's, and then their primary expansionist motives were of a defensive nature against growing fascists threats.


It started much, much earlier than that.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expansion_of_Russia_(1500%E2%80%931800)

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2 GIGANTIC ifs:
1. If Hitler would have waited 5 years to invade Poland for his technology to really reach it's potential. And,
2. If Rommel would have been in charge and Hitler wasn't, the final results could have been MUCH different.

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Originally Posted by KeithC
Germany needed war to get out of their severe, economic slump. Without going to war, there would have been starvation and huge civil unrest in Germany, eventually leading to the formation of a new government.
Keith


That's true.

My great grandfather was killed in WWI fighting for Germany. There was no money for widows of the war. My great grandmother had to let her three daughters go to different homes to work and live. One was my grandmother.

Great grandmother lived on very little, from the stories handed down. The three girls grew up and all three married.
Together they came to America in the late 20s. The three husbands stayed in New York for several years to work off the cost of the trip over. Two of the girls and their mother settled in La Crosse, Wisconsin. All on the same street, in three different homes. The third continued on to Utah and lived with the Mormans.

The three husbands joined their wives and raised families. My grandfather was one of them. His hometown was Dresden, and he always missed it.

Together my grandparents had three children, one died shortly after birth. The two girls remained in La Crosse, one my mother. After a short stint in the Army, she met my father, who was in the Navy, and after discharge they also settled in La Crosse. I was born in 1952.

My earliest memories of my great grandmother was this tiny old woman who never left the house. And there was always a bad odor in the house. As a family we would only visit during Christmas and Easter. Both times she would give us candy bars. Mom would always take them away and tell my brother and me they were unfit to eat. One time she showed us . . . opened the candy bar, cracked it in half, and worms came out.

When Oma died, they tore the house down. The walls all had holes in them between studs, covered by wallpaper or framed pictures. Below the holes food in varying stages of decay was packed . . throughout the house.

The very hard years following WWI must have been traumatic. Mom probably hording food in Germany and then for sure in the states. The three girls away from each other living and working as servants to make ends meet.
My grandmother never spoke of those times that I heard. She was very strict with my mother, as I recall my mother sharing stories of her childhood.

There were many Germans that settled in La Crosse. They formed a singing "community" of sorts calling themselves the Frohsinn. My grandfather was the last secretary. He was the creator of the records contained below.

La Crosse Public Library records

and the guide to the records

Guide to the records






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Originally Posted by KeithC
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Russia was not expansionist until the late 1930's, and then their primary expansionist motives were of a defensive nature against growing fascists threats.


It started much, much earlier than that.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expansion_of_Russia_(1500%E2%80%931800)

Keith

Well sure, go back to about the 7th century and everyone was either expanding or contracting their territory.
However, Russia was pretty stable, relatively speaking, between about 1650 and 1917.


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