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Cross/silver fox conversation #8242905
10/23/24 12:26 PM
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Question,
Does anyone know much about why their is cross and silver fox in the west but not in the east? Is this like eastern coyotes have color variations and western bears have color variations. Usually we run 20% cross fox in my areas but this year we are running 76% cross and silvers so far.
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Re: Cross/silver fox conversation [Re: Idahotrapguy] #8242906
10/23/24 12:27 PM
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I have no idea, but that is a pretty fox there.

Re: Cross/silver fox conversation [Re: Idahotrapguy] #8242907
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I have only ever caught one cross here in MN and I saw another within a mile of where I caught the one. They sure are pretty critters though.


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Re: Cross/silver fox conversation [Re: Idahotrapguy] #8242910
10/23/24 12:37 PM
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I’m just happy to have reds where I live. A lot of people say the coyotes decimate red fox populations and they don’t have em around anymore.
Nice photo, very pretty

Re: Cross/silver fox conversation [Re: Idahotrapguy] #8242916
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I have heard that the preponderence of silver and cross foxes in Idaho and Alaska is a holdover from the ranch foxes formerly in those states. Here in east-central (near Salmon) we have about 25-30% cross fox, but very few silvers (i've seen but 1).

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Re: Cross/silver fox conversation [Re: Idahotrapguy] #8242917
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Anyone ever catch any cross or silvers at lower elevation (less than 2000 ft) ? Or notice foxes in lower elevations are riddled with fleas but not so much at high elevations?

I’ve noticed a huge difference between foxes in the valley floor and foxes a few thousand feet higher. An old timer once told me the ones on the valley floor were actually the offspring of European red foxes when they were all released when fox farming crashed back in the 20s or 30s. Not sure if there is any truth to that but it sort of makes sense that if they were European foxes they can’t handle the fleas as well as native sub species of fox that evolved with those fleas. Interesting topic nonetheless

Re: Cross/silver fox conversation [Re: Idahotrapguy] #8242932
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The eastern reds have some British blood, brought over for fox hunting, 1800’s; the western reds are indigenous reds to the northwest U.S.
Perhaps genetics have a play in this???

Re: Cross/silver fox conversation [Re: panaxman] #8242936
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Originally Posted by panaxman
The eastern reds have some British blood, brought over for fox hunting, 1800’s; the western reds are indigenous reds to the northwest U.S.
Perhaps genetics have a play in this???

This is what I understand


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Re: Cross/silver fox conversation [Re: Idahotrapguy] #8243048
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Looking at where they're found it's more of a climate/environment thing. They seem to be found in colder and more forested environments. You don't see much of it in southern latitudea unless they're escapees

Re: Cross/silver fox conversation [Re: k snow] #8243051
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Originally Posted by k snow
I have no idea, but that is a pretty fox there.

This. Eric

Re: Cross/silver fox conversation [Re: Idahotrapguy] #8243260
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North eastern Ontario is east and low elevation.There are cross and silver fox here.A little further north into the James bay lowlands north of Otter rapids there are as many cross and silver as reds.And they are big.


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Re: Cross/silver fox conversation [Re: Idahotrapguy] #8243294
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I went deer hunting on Kodiak Island last year and the fox were one of the coolest things there. I saw normal reds, cross and silvers throughout my time. All were seen at one point or another under 3 yards. There is no trees to speak of where we were. They were huge too, double or more of our Michigan fox.

This is Buster the camp fox. He was very well fed while we were there. Almost tame enough to eat out of your hand. I managed to sneak up on him sleeping in the grass and run my fingers through his fur to get a quick grade.
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Re: Cross/silver fox conversation [Re: Idahotrapguy] #8243318
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Re: Cross/silver fox conversation [Re: Idahotrapguy] #8243321
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Caught 4 along the Canadian border,a friend west of me about 8 miles shot one sliver and caught two sliver,but no cross fox for him.In the 80's and 90's we would catch quite a few bas turd fox around here,2 out of 10.A good cross is a thing of beauty.

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Re: Cross/silver fox conversation [Re: Boco] #8243326
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Originally Posted by Boco
North eastern Ontario is east and low elevation.There are cross and silver fox here.A little further north into the James bay lowlands north of Otter rapids there are as many cross and silver as reds.And they are big.


I have seen a handful of silver fox in Manitoba very close to the Manitoba/Ontario border. An hour West, I’ve seen only Red’s.


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Re: Cross/silver fox conversation [Re: Idahotrapguy] #8243404
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Wild cross and silver and reds from this area have much silkier fur than the ranch fox pelts.


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Re: Cross/silver fox conversation [Re: Michigander] #8243408
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Originally Posted by Michigander
I went deer hunting on Kodiak Island last year and the fox were one of the coolest things there. I saw normal reds, cross and silvers throughout my time. All were seen at one point or another under 3 yards. There is no trees to speak of where we were. They were huge too, double or more of our Michigan fox.

This is Buster the camp fox. He was very well fed while we were there. Almost tame enough to eat out of your hand. I managed to sneak up on him sleeping in the grass and run my fingers through his fur to get a quick grade.
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As far as I am concerned, Cross/Silver fox are one of the prettiest animals out there. I was totally shocked to catch the cross that I did. It was on the same 40 as the house, yet I had never seen it on the cameras. It now hangs on the living room wall as will any others that I catch.


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Re: Cross/silver fox conversation [Re: Idahotrapguy] #8243426
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Great pic’s


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Originally Posted by Jurassic Park
Originally Posted by Boco
North eastern Ontario is east and low elevation.There are cross and silver fox here.A little further north into the James bay lowlands north of Otter rapids there are as many cross and silver as reds.And they are big.


I have seen a handful of silver fox in Manitoba very close to the Manitoba/Ontario border. An hour West, I’ve seen only Red’s.


I have spent a good deal of time fishing along the Manitoba/ontario border nearly up to the big bay and seen a number of silvers as well. Once 200 miles or so north of the US I see more Lynx than anything up in that area. I have seen an arctic or two way up, summer dark.

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