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Nuclear War--Book Suggestion #8247608
10/29/24 07:58 AM
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I'm wrapping up the book, Nuclear War. I heard the author on Joe Rogan--she was interesting. Fascinating read with lots of good quotes and factual information.

Nuclear war is still a threat. The President is the one who pulls the trigger. Considering the state of politics, that is very concerning.

I need to finish designing and start building my bunker.

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I went to the Minuteman sites in ND & SD this summer…..pretty cool. I’d love to see a Soviet block site. All the action would’ve been happening right over Canadas heads. Kinda scary, I don’t think most of the Russian stuff would’ve made the full trip and would’ve fell short…lol
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Re: Nuclear War--Book Suggestion [Re: Blaine County] #8247626
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Dang it, another book to add to the reading list.

Re: Nuclear War--Book Suggestion [Re: Shakeyjake] #8247639
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Originally Posted by Shakeyjake
I went to the Minuteman sites in ND & SD this summer…..pretty cool. I’d love to see a Soviet block site. All the action would’ve been happening right over Canadas heads. Kinda scary, I don’t think most of the Russian stuff would’ve made the full trip and would’ve fell short…lol
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Cool pic. Would like to see those.

Re: Nuclear War--Book Suggestion [Re: loosegoose] #8247640
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Originally Posted by loosegoose
Dang it, another book to add to the reading list.


It's a quick easy read. You'll like it.

Re: Nuclear War--Book Suggestion [Re: Blaine County] #8247641
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I just finished that book.

great, real world scenario (based on previously classified, official protocols).

save yourself the money on bunker construction, BC...you won't want to live in the world that would be left.

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Re: Nuclear War--Book Suggestion [Re: white marlin] #8247709
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Originally Posted by white marlin
I just finished that book.

great, real world scenario (based on previously classified, official protocols).

save yourself the money on bunker construction, BC...you won't want to live in the world that would be left.


You may be right, but I've always wanted one. I like unconventional projects.

I live far enough away from anything the Russians or whoever would want to hit I could probably hang on for a bit. And, I'm not talking some multi-million dollar bunker. More of a hidden, large, reinforced cellar with air filtration, security, food, water, lots of ammo, etc.

BC--Future Warlord

Re: Nuclear War--Book Suggestion [Re: Blaine County] #8247728
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Maybe when I finish "War and Peace" Only about 300 pages left. smile


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Re: Nuclear War--Book Suggestion [Re: Blaine County] #8247761
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Originally Posted by Blaine County
Originally Posted by Shakeyjake
I went to the Minuteman sites in ND & SD this summer…..pretty cool. I’d love to see a Soviet block site. All the action would’ve been happening right over Canadas heads. Kinda scary, I don’t think most of the Russian stuff would’ve made the full trip and would’ve fell short…lol
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Cool pic. Would like to see those.


I've been down in the silos and did some work on the warheads. It's not exactly what I would call a tourist attraction - lol.


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Re: Nuclear War--Book Suggestion [Re: Blaine County] #8247773
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I remember you posting about your time in the Airforce. Would love to hear your thoughts on the subject of nuclear weapons, nuclear war, surviving a nuclear strike, etc.--you know, some very broad topics!

Re: Nuclear War--Book Suggestion [Re: Blaine County] #8247811
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When I was stationed at Ellsworth AFB, near Rapid City, SD, we were what was known as a centralized support base. We were responsible to provide EOD support to Grand Forks, Minot, Malmstrom, Francis E Warren and Whiteman AFB bases. These all had Minute Man missiles. When a problem would occur on one of the missiles, they'd fly us to the base on a KC-135, and we'd take care of the problem. Of course once we resolved the issue, we had to make our own way back. No KC-135 would be cranked up to fly us home.

US Nuclear weapons are the safest weapons out there. They are what is called one point safe. In other words, if a detonation of the explosive material surrounding the fissionable material only occurred at one spot, the nuclear contribution would be equal to 4 pounds of C-4. I cant say that other country's nukes are as safe as ours though.

Nuclear war would be something so horrific, I wouldn't want to even consider it as a possibility, although it is. The main thing to consider surviving the initial detonation is having as much mass and distance between you and the detonation site. The gamma rays, heat and shock are killers. After the detonation, there is the alpha particles that will cover the area downwind.


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Originally Posted by Paul Dobbins
When I was stationed at Ellsworth AFB, near Rapid City, SD, we were what was known as a centralized support base. We were responsible to provide EOD support to Grand Forks, Minot, Malmstrom, Francis E Warren and Whiteman AFB bases. These all had Minute Man missiles. When a problem would occur on one of the missiles, they'd fly us to the base on a KC-135, and we'd take care of the problem. Of course once we resolved the issue, we had to make our own way back. No KC-135 would be cranked up to fly us home.

US Nuclear weapons are the safest weapons out there. They are what is called one point safe. In other words, if a detonation of the explosive material surrounding the fissionable material only occurred at one spot, the nuclear contribution would be equal to 4 pounds of C-4. I cant say that other country's nukes are as safe as ours though.

Nuclear war would be something so horrific, I wouldn't want to even consider it as a possibility, although it is. The main thing to consider surviving the initial detonation is having as much mass and distance between you and the detonation site. The gamma rays, heat and shock are killers. After the detonation, there is the alpha particles that will cover the area downwind.

What kind of problems occur with nuclear missles? Is it mostly maintenance type work, or are there actual repairs? It seems that, just sitting in a hole in the ground, there wouldn't be much to go wrong, but then again a nuclear missile, is probably a pretty complicated device. I imagine the workshop manual for one is pretty thick, and you can't exactly take one on a test flight to check your repair grin

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Originally Posted by loosegoose
Originally Posted by Paul Dobbins
When I was stationed at Ellsworth AFB, near Rapid City, SD, we were what was known as a centralized support base. We were responsible to provide EOD support to Grand Forks, Minot, Malmstrom, Francis E Warren and Whiteman AFB bases. These all had Minute Man missiles. When a problem would occur on one of the missiles, they'd fly us to the base on a KC-135, and we'd take care of the problem. Of course once we resolved the issue, we had to make our own way back. No KC-135 would be cranked up to fly us home.

US Nuclear weapons are the safest weapons out there. They are what is called one point safe. In other words, if a detonation of the explosive material surrounding the fissionable material only occurred at one spot, the nuclear contribution would be equal to 4 pounds of C-4. I cant say that other country's nukes are as safe as ours though.

Nuclear war would be something so horrific, I wouldn't want to even consider it as a possibility, although it is. The main thing to consider surviving the initial detonation is having as much mass and distance between you and the detonation site. The gamma rays, heat and shock are killers. After the detonation, there is the alpha particles that will cover the area downwind.


What kind of problems occur with nuclear missles? Is it mostly maintenance type work, or are there actual repairs? It seems that, just sitting in a hole in the ground, there wouldn't be much to go wrong, but then again a nuclear missile, is probably a pretty complicated device. I imagine the workshop manual for one is pretty thick, and you can't exactly take one on a test flight to check your repair grin


Maintenance was not our job. I can't divulge any more than that. I'm not trying to be coy, things are still classified.


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Originally Posted by Blaine County
Originally Posted by white marlin
I just finished that book.

great, real world scenario (based on previously classified, official protocols).

save yourself the money on bunker construction, BC...you won't want to live in the world that would be left.


You may be right, but I've always wanted one. I like unconventional projects.

I live far enough away from anything the Russians or whoever would want to hit I could probably hang on for a bit. And, I'm not talking some multi-million dollar bunker. More of a hidden, large, reinforced cellar with air filtration, security, food, water, lots of ammo, etc.

BC--Future Warlord


tens (perhaps hundreds) of millions of rotting corpses. no electricity. no fuel. no heat. no internet. radioactive soil/water...and no prospects of it ever improving.

you'd be the Warlord of nothing but rotting flesh.

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Re: Nuclear War--Book Suggestion [Re: Paul Dobbins] #8247930
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Originally Posted by Paul Dobbins
When I was stationed at Ellsworth AFB, near Rapid City, SD, we were what was known as a centralized support base. We were responsible to provide EOD support to Grand Forks, Minot, Malmstrom, Francis E Warren and Whiteman AFB bases. These all had Minute Man missiles. When a problem would occur on one of the missiles, they'd fly us to the base on a KC-135, and we'd take care of the problem. Of course once we resolved the issue, we had to make our own way back. No KC-135 would be cranked up to fly us home.

US Nuclear weapons are the safest weapons out there. They are what is called one point safe. In other words, if a detonation of the explosive material surrounding the fissionable material only occurred at one spot, the nuclear contribution would be equal to 4 pounds of C-4. I cant say that other country's nukes are as safe as ours though.

Nuclear war would be something so horrific, I wouldn't want to even consider it as a possibility, although it is. The main thing to consider surviving the initial detonation is having as much mass and distance between you and the detonation site. The gamma rays, heat and shock are killers. After the detonation, there is the alpha particles that will cover the area downwind.


Thank you. Very interesting. The book covered radar/satellite errors and miscommunications as being major risks. Also, North Korea just starting crap with the U.S. to cause a major escalation between the U.S. and Russia/China.

Scary stuff.

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Missile field duty was awesome ! Caught the tail end of it as it was kinda winding down due to START .


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We still have a tour site of launch control facility known as Oscar 1 here at Whiteman. As I have not been "read in" I don't know the specifics but do know a single nuke from today (non-missle) would clear from KC to Columbia MO - roughly 120 miles all directions. This is initial - as Paul stated after effects would be even worse.
Nukes are maintained, parts updated etc.....tests done etc. DOE (energy) has the true nerds that know the details - many are young and brilliant......Been through several trainings and once sat in one with a north korean who never finished his background checks before he left the usaf....seriously

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Originally Posted by TreedaBlackdog
We still have a tour site of launch control facility known as Oscar 1 here at Whiteman. As I have not been "read in" I don't know the specifics but do know a single nuke from today (non-missle) would clear from KC to Columbia MO - roughly 120 miles all directions. This is initial - as Paul stated after effects would be even worse.
Nukes are maintained, parts updated etc.....tests done etc. DOE (energy) has the true nerds that know the details - many are young and brilliant......Been through several trainings and once sat in one with a north korean who never finished his background checks before he left the usaf....seriously


Dang, I spent a couple of days at Oscar 1 waiting out a blizzard so we could access Oscar 8. They got us to the LCF in the blizzard, but wouldn't get us to Oscar 8 until things cleared.


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One thing I discovered that I found interesting is that if you take a screwdriver and scrape it across U238, you will get a rooster tail of sparks shoot up.


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Originally Posted by Paul Dobbins
Maintenance was not our job. I can't divulge any more than that. I'm not trying to be coy, things are still classified.


I don’t know, but I think it’s pretty wicked that you actually got to work on these things. The destructive power is mind boggling. I think you probably had the coolest job on Tman!


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