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Re: What exactly makes fur “prime up”? [Re: elsmasho82] #8248374
10/29/24 09:38 PM
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If they never prime you could say they hit the peak of priming for the year I suppose...There is a "fur prime"and "leather prime" Fur prime comes in a bit earlier than leather.

Re: What exactly makes fur “prime up”? [Re: elsmasho82] #8248397
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Not really,catogen is the peak of the priming cycle,fur is fully grown and leather is white (anagen phase is complete)Prime is when the fur growth is complete and reaches catagen stage.In the catagen stage the fur does not grow,the follicals reain dorant for a period of time.The fur will wear and fade during this period,but the animal is still in the peak of its priming cycle.The follicles become active again during the telogen stage and this is basicallt when the new hair growth in the root pushes out the dormant hair commonly called shedders.


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Re: What exactly makes fur “prime up”? [Re: elsmasho82] #8248408
10/29/24 10:01 PM
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So if its never white?

Re: What exactly makes fur “prime up”? [Re: elsmasho82] #8248421
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Leather is white when the follicles are dormant in the catagen stage and the hair is rooted in the upper portion of the skin.
When follicles are active(growing hair) is when you get the blue leather at both ends(anagen,telogen) of the priming cycle.

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Re: What exactly makes fur “prime up”? [Re: elsmasho82] #8248430
10/29/24 10:14 PM
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Again if the leather never turns white as what happens with sow coon that gave birth in august/september?

Re: What exactly makes fur “prime up”? [Re: 8117 Steve R] #8248527
10/30/24 12:00 AM
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Originally Posted by 8117 Steve R
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Naw, I'm waiting for him to create a new Jarvis Jenkins or whatever it was.... account....



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It does seem rather fishy that he comes back and she leaves.... hmmmmmmmm

Re: What exactly makes fur “prime up”? [Re: elsmasho82] #8248528
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The sun/moon cycle and amount of hours of darkness control it all. Fur priming, flowers blooming, leaves falling, antlers growing/or falling off, etc.
Just depends on where one is located.


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Re: What exactly makes fur “prime up”? [Re: SNIPERBBB] #8248531
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Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB
Again if the leather never turns white as what happens with sow coon that gave birth in august/september?

thats a health/stress issue.Nothing to do with the actual priming cycle itself.See the same thing with female beaver that have had a late litter affects the guard hair more than the underfur.
Some diseases can make the hair fall out,not related to the telogen phase.
Things like chewing lice and mange can affect the skin also.causing patches of missing hair and dark spots on the leather even during the catagen phase as can scars and physical rubs that will show up on the leather side as dark marks.

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Re: What exactly makes fur “prime up”? [Re: elsmasho82] #8248714
10/30/24 07:28 AM
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So basically, #1 daylight is the trigger, but full prime may not be the best looking fur depending on stress & health?
What about the provinces & states that use daylight savings time? Nobody picked up on that or you just thought I wasn’t playing with a full deck, one wheel in the sand, few fries short of a happy meal, daft?……lol


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Re: What exactly makes fur “prime up”? [Re: elsmasho82] #8248728
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What about the provinces & states that use daylight savings time? Nobody picked up on that or you just thought I wasn’t playing with a full deck, one wheel in the sand, few fries short of a happy meal, daft?……lol


I should hope that was a joke because this is what animals think about DST:



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As I was walking down the street one day
A man came up to me and asked me
What the time was that was on my watch
Yeah, and I said
does anybody really know what time it is?
(Care) does anybody really care?
(About time) you know, I can't imagine why
(Oh no, no) we've all got time enough to cry
And I was walking down the street one day
A pretty lady looked at me
And said her diamond watch had stopped cold dead
And I said
does anybody really know what time it is?
(Care) does anybody really care?
(About time) you know, I can't imagine why
(Oh no, no) we've all got time enough to cry
And I was walking down the street one day
Being pushed and shoved by people
Trying to beat the clock, oh, no
I just don't know, I don't, I don't, oh
And I said yes, I said
does anybody really know what time it is?
(Care) does anybody really care?
(About time) you know, I can't imagine why
(Oh no, no) we've all got time enough to die
Everybody's working
(I don't care) I don't care
(About time)
(Oh no, no) oh no, no

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Re: What exactly makes fur “prime up”? [Re: Shakeyjake] #8248771
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Originally Posted by Shakeyjake
So basically, #1 daylight is the trigger, but full prime may not be the best looking fur depending on stress & health?
What about the provinces & states that use daylight savings time? Nobody picked up on that or you just thought I wasn’t playing with a full deck, one wheel in the sand, few fries short of a happy meal, daft?……lol



Jake I was actually thinking about that because we turn our clocks back in November and I was wondering what difference that would make, if any.
I hate it. I don’t care about “gaining an hour of sleep” like everyone says. When it gets dark at 5:30 at night I feel like just going to bed. But hopefully I’ll have fur in the shed to keep me busy!
Everyone says “oh we gain an hour of sleep”! As if it’s for the next six months, but it’s really only once; and it’s on a Sunday so it doesn’t even count!!

Re: What exactly makes fur “prime up”? [Re: elsmasho82] #8248777
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Originally Posted by elsmasho82
Originally Posted by Shakeyjake
So basically, #1 daylight is the trigger, but full prime may not be the best looking fur depending on stress & health?
What about the provinces & states that use daylight savings time? Nobody picked up on that or you just thought I wasn’t playing with a full deck, one wheel in the sand, few fries short of a happy meal, daft?……lol



Jake I was actually thinking about that because we turn our clocks back in November and I was wondering what difference that would make, if any.
I hate it. I don’t care about “gaining an hour of sleep” like everyone says. When it gets dark at 5:30 at night I feel like just going to bed. But hopefully I’ll have fur in the shed to keep me busy!
Everyone says “oh we gain an hour of sleep”! As if it’s for the next six months, but it’s really only once; and it’s on a Sunday so it doesn’t even count!!

Length of daylight doesn't change because we change the clock. The animals don't knowif it's 5pm or 4pm.

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Re: What exactly makes fur “prime up”? [Re: elsmasho82] #8248785
10/30/24 08:33 AM
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Yes that makes perfect sense lol. I recognize that but something in my mind said “is there really less daylight if we are altering time?!”
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Re: What exactly makes fur “prime up”? [Re: elsmasho82] #8248877
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My understanding is the trigger is a lack of UV light entering the eye. My theory is hair growth is not linear. Meaning once growth starts it grows fast and then slows down as the animal reaches prime. Most charts show linear growth that in some animals take months to happen, which makes little survival sense.


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Re: What exactly makes fur “prime up”? [Re: Dirt] #8248883
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Originally Posted by Dirt
My understanding is the trigger is a lack of UV light entering the eye. My theory is hair growth is not linear. Meaning once growth starts it grows fast and then slows down as the animal reaches prime. Most charts show linear growth that in some animals take months to happen, which makes little survival sense.

If you're referring to the fur prime charts that we usually see, those charts are based on when the furs are found to be prime, not necessarily how fast the fur comes into prime.

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Re: What exactly makes fur “prime up”? [Re: elsmasho82] #8248892
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Re: What exactly makes fur “prime up”? [Re: elsmasho82] #8248911
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Most coyotes around here follow the daylight savings time. There's the odd one that'll come out an hour early before they figured out that they forgot. You better believe they and their internal fur priming system is aware of whether or not they should be adjusting their clocks!


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Re: What exactly makes fur “prime up”? [Re: elsmasho82] #8248918
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Sunset/sunrise times do change through the year regardless of our time changes.

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Re: What exactly makes fur “prime up”? [Re: elsmasho82] #8248954
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The actual peak primeness is a small window.
Better to have a pelt coming on the prime that a late pelt going off prime.

Re: What exactly makes fur “prime up”? [Re: elsmasho82] #8248971
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I thought prime, by definition, was when they stop growing hair and before they start to shed? Not saying this is peak quality time.


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