This says alot.

I think most of the hatred for wolves comes from this mindset. Self interested humans. Hooray for me, screw everyone else and anything else.


Wolves don't know it but they do adjust to declining prey population, their reproduction rates follow food supplies. Lots of prey, lots of wolves, prey populations drop, wolf populations drop. Its been studied multiple times with the same results. Only makes sense.

Man is doing a (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) poor job of managing some wildlife. Whitetail deer is a great example. Alot of places east of the Mississippi deer are too numerous. They ruin the land they live on when there are too many.
I see it on my place, you can't grow an White Oak, Trillium, Bloodroot, Toothwort, Solomon's seal and on and on goes the list. The deer chew them out of existence.
I doubt most people would even notice this.


A wise man once said " just as a deer herd lives in mortal fear of its wolves, so does a mountain live in mortal fear of its deer."

https://www.audubon.org/magazine/surging-deer-populations-are-crisis-eastern-forests

https://northernwoodlands.org/articles/article/effects-deer-forest-ecosystems

https://earthsky.org/earth/overgrazing-by-deer-is-changing-the-face-of-u-s-forests/

I can get dozens more for those who think that too many deer are not an issue and humans are somehow managing them properly.

Those of you "sportsmen" that have wolves should be thankful. Odds are your land is in better shape than around here with no wolves.

But I suspect most are more concerned about the competition from wolves rather than the destruction of the land from the deer.

Boco is right wolves are part of a healthy ecosystem.

Good Lord.

I think the only place that wolves are claimed to have come to some balance with their prey is Isle Royale. Generally, I believe they keep their prey and themselves at low density equilibrium when wolf populations are not controlled by humans.

Bang!!!

Isle Royale is an un natural ecosystem,Man has always been part of the food chain/ecosystem.
Only the tree huggers think man has no place in maintaining the equilibrium.Like other top predators man has the ability to do enormous damage when overpopulated.Fortunately man also has the ability to correct that damage to a degree.
But nature will take care of buisness including the overpopulation of humans.
The millions dead worldwide from covid is but a amall peek at what is in store for the future.

A lot true. The wolves out there adjust more so than other places as the moose are food source number one two three…..
In northern Mn as a for instance the wolves have devastated the moose, then moved on to the deer, bears, dogs, peoples sheep, cattle, horses and more.
There is no consequence to having at food sources other than wild animals so of course they adjust to it. In Bocos country wolves are kept in balance by hunting and trapping or at least that option is out there. Fear of man cuts back on both opportunities and 24/7 immunity.
D says he’d like wolves, fair enough. Just be sure the measures for control are in place. That does not mean get a check for a taken cow or calf…
None of the compensation programs do anything to get to root of the problem. Some wolves are fine and great for the ecosystem, too many do as much harm as too few.

Osky

surprises me how many are ok with the illegal action of the killing of these wolves(poaching) so would also guess
its ok if someone decides they want your traps or the animal thats in them and take them.

Its the other way around. Its the herbivores that are the danger to the ecosystem.
Predators don't damage the ecosystem, they are the ones that keep it healthy. Whether the predators are human or wolves.

A trophy buck killed by a pack of wolves can be replaced in just a couple of years. A forest over browsed by a deer herd can't be replaced in even several decades.

Give it some thought.
My contention is predators are necessary. Trouble is most of the once existing natural predators have been removed and man doesn't do an effective job of replacing them the ecosystem suffers.
Thats where we are at in many places without all the natural predators.

In many northern areas it is snow that regulates ungulates, not limited browse. Once these events occur, unfortunately predators can keep these depressed ungulate population from ever rebuilding. Predator Pit

You guys are something. Wasting time space and air arguing this subject. If you haven’t figured it out, no one has convinced anyone to change their mind on how they stand on it. Wow some people just have to much time on their hands. Go trapping for crying out loud

Seasons not open.

Season is not open.

I find that hard to believe , we handle the game here in MN. except where there are wolves .Just no game left where the big packs roam . one more thing when they bountied wolves years ago they did it for more than one reason and safety for people was one of them.

A poacher would take some part of the animal ,Sure doesn't say that in the article .You have a questionable leader , and he does not agree with you on anything .I doubt he would ok a spear or even a rock for you to hunt with .

doesnt seem to matter to some on here.