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Re: Public land, new administration [Re: danvee] #8261769
11/14/24 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by danvee
, Victor 0,Its not owned by the feds but managed and the reason you dont pay state income tax in Alaska is because of the PILT monies the state gets from managed federal lands you also get what a $1300 per person subsidy check from the state which come from PILT funds. Public lands is a cash cow for the states and the resource industry and labor forces that work extracting timber, minerals, coal, oil and grazing and can still be used as a playground for the public, yeah there are restrictions but no knocking on doors begging for permission to hunt, fish, trap and camp, its worth saving.


Kind of got this wrong. The State runs on oil royalties and oil taxes mostly extracted on State land and the earnings on the State's investment fund (invested oil royalties). The check that every owner of the oil gets is just part of the yearly earnings of the investment fund. Royalties are the State selling the State's oil to the oil companies. Taxes are the State being greedy.

P.S. If I had to guess, I would guess that Federal land in Alaska is a money loser. My guess would be the Federal government spends more money managing it than the revenue it generates?

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Re: Public land, new administration [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8261774
11/14/24 09:45 AM
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I've seen new houses popping up on BLM land between Laramie and Cheyenne. I figger if a person offers enough money a piece can be bought.


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Re: Public land, new administration [Re: Steven 49er] #8261797
11/14/24 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Steven 49er
Scott, while i agree that public land is a good thing but can there be too much of a good thing?

Many of these western states are a majority of public land. It inhibits growth, many say thats a good thing, well until it's their own growth that's inhibited.


1 percent of Alaska is privately owned. It will probably take a 50 years to get to 2%.if we are lucky. smile


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Re: Public land, new administration [Re: Gary Benson] #8261807
11/14/24 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Gary Benson
I've seen new houses popping up on BLM land between Laramie and Cheyenne. I figger if a person offers enough money a piece can be bought.


Where is this Gary, haven't heard of this at all. BLM lands sold or exchanged get published. Not much BLM between the 2 towns and all of it is still there from what I can find.

Re: Public land, new administration [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8261933
11/14/24 03:37 PM
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Just north of the Vedauwoo road are new houses where there was once nothing


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Re: Public land, new administration [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8261934
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In my opinion most politicians don't care as they have no interest in it. It's just that they know somebody who cares and has money to spend on development, houses, political races, etc. That money gets their attention.
I would rather have it in public trust than closed to most of America or commercialized out of common Joe's reach.
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Yes i realize those are in parks, but once the ball starts rolling, its just a matter of time.

Re: Public land, new administration [Re: Preacherman Les] #8261944
11/14/24 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Preacherman Les
In my opinion most politicians don't care as they have no interest in it. It's just that they know somebody who cares and has money to spend on development, houses, political races, etc. That money gets their attention.
I would rather have it in public trust than closed to most of America or commercialized out of common Joe's reach.
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Yes i realize those are in parks, but once the ball starts rolling, its just a matter of time.



Preacherman Les preaching’ the truth!!!!

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Re: Public land, new administration [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8261967
11/14/24 05:31 PM
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Lack of water is already a problem in Western cities. Fountain CO used to be thousands of acres of fruit trees. Now that water goes to residential use. LA San Diego have non stop water trouble now. Salt lake city not far behind. Lack of water will prevent most residential use. There is not a lot of places that can be irrigated. If you want to see them get on google earth and look for circles.


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Re: Public land, new administration [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8262004
11/14/24 06:51 PM
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Who owns alaska

Perspective. ^^^^^^^^


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Re: Public land, new administration [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8262480
11/15/24 11:20 AM
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https://idahocapitalsun.com/2024/10...s-of-acres-of-federally-controlled-land/

A good article for context and info. Potentially NOT good in so many ways. Happy trapping! ScottW

Re: Public land, new administration [Re: Gary Benson] #8262486
11/15/24 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Gary Benson
Just north of the Vedauwoo road are new houses where there was once nothing

That was not BLM land, it was and is private. BLM is still there, also some state lands.
I know someone that lives in that area.

Re: Public land, new administration [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8262494
11/15/24 11:40 AM
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You guys who think maintaining public land in federal hands is all "wonderfulness" may wish to consider possible consequences. Especially if you really believe that the federal government will always respect and honor State management of game and hunting.

Here in Alaska, the feds have shown their true colors. Rather than respecting tradition and even the law, federal land management agencies have just barged ahead and made their own hunting regulations.

In several areas they simply closed hunting to "non-local" hunters for various species of big game on vast expanses of "public" land.

Be careful what you wish for! You might get it. The feds here have NO respect for state laws and regulations regarding hunting.

Pete

Re: Public land, new administration [Re: snowy] #8262516
11/15/24 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by snowy
II say no. Public lands are a huge thing for all Americans red or blue states. I can see drilling, timber cutting and more natural resources taken from these lands but to put them up for auction would be a terrible thing regardless of party you favor.


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Re: Public land, new administration [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8262521
11/15/24 12:36 PM
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If I hunt or trap Federal land in another state, why do I need a nonresident state hunting/trapping license? It's my land.

Re: Public land, new administration [Re: BernieB.] #8262534
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Originally Posted by BernieB.
If I hunt or trap Federal land in another state, why do I need a nonresident state hunting/trapping license? It's my land.


Because wildlife is owned and managed (for the most part) by the state. Happy trapping! ScottW

Re: Public land, new administration [Re: Pete in Frbks] #8262535
11/15/24 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Pete in Frbks
You guys who think maintaining public land in federal hands is all "wonderfulness" may wish to consider possible consequences. Especially if you really believe that the federal government will always respect and honor State management of game and hunting.

Here in Alaska, the feds have shown their true colors. Rather than respecting tradition and even the law, federal land management agencies have just barged ahead and made their own hunting regulations.

In several areas they simply closed hunting to "non-local" hunters for various species of big game on vast expanses of "public" land.

Be careful what you wish for! You might get it. The feds here have NO respect for state laws and regulations regarding hunting.

Pete


But on the flip side if land ownership were transferred to the states for large chunks of now federal property and the state chooses to sell it to private……then it’s likely even worse for any use at all for most folks. Yes, it’s theoretical, but that’s what many want. Sadly, very few politicians out west are TRULY sportspersons at all. Happy trapping! ScottW

Re: Public land, new administration [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8262553
11/15/24 01:19 PM
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In the astute words of Crocodile Dundee-people fighting over who owns the land is like two fleas fighting over who owns the dog.


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