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Re: 2024-2025 Fur Prices [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #8272125
11/26/24 06:46 PM
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If I ever find a way to make profit off buying people's fur i will, i been looking also open to suggestions.


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Re: 2024-2025 Fur Prices [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #8272132
11/26/24 06:50 PM
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Biggest profit margins in the fur trade are manufacturing and retail.Always been thus.


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Re: 2024-2025 Fur Prices [Re: MJM] #8272143
11/26/24 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by MJM
I will bet the hatter market was the same way.


there was several hatter market people wanting.......till their first production runs were done.... and the % extraction was not there...then they backed out
moving from one medium to mixing into another is tricky business making hats of the various styles

The video clip states how much they ramped up the production of beaver from year to year.

Re: 2024-2025 Fur Prices [Re: Boco] #8272155
11/26/24 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Boco
Biggest profit margins in the fur trade are manufacturing and retail.Always been thus.

It's that way with a lot of prducts

Re: 2024-2025 Fur Prices [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #8272158
11/26/24 07:13 PM
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Very high numbers in the fur industry though.


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Re: 2024-2025 Fur Prices [Re: Boco] #8272475
11/26/24 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Boco
Very high numbers in the fur industry though.

The most skill and expense too.


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Re: 2024-2025 Fur Prices [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #8272542
11/27/24 05:45 AM
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If I can't make money on my fur I see no reason to let someone who will make money, buy it cheap. Trappers are their own worst enemy. In what world will a business man pay more for anything than he has too?????????????

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Re: 2024-2025 Fur Prices [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #8272603
11/27/24 07:17 AM
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Interesting the only species that just about everyone who traps has in numbers is beaver,

Supply and demand at it's finest in a capitalism system.

Prices advanvced because of a demand for felt, trappers responded by trapping beaver the supply is now greater than the market.

Prices follow suit.

Would sure have been nice if it had lasted longer but just show you how shallow the fur market is right now.

Russian ruble is trading at 1 cent to the US dollar.

Hatter trade is always there its the supply that goes up and down.

Sell early and often.

Re: 2024-2025 Fur Prices [Re: NorthernTrapperO] #8272624
11/27/24 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by NorthernTrapperO
If I ever find a way to make profit off buying people's fur i will, i been looking also open to suggestions.


To make a million in the fur buying skin game, start by investing five million !!! laugh


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Re: 2024-2025 Fur Prices [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #8272631
11/27/24 07:55 AM
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Walleyed, if Groney is making 20% what would golden triangle coons average?


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Re: 2024-2025 Fur Prices [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #8272635
11/27/24 07:57 AM
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Russian ruble is trading at 1 cent to the US dollar.


Does it really matter what the Russian currency is trading at against the USD if the U.S. and Canadian governments forbid (sanction) trading with the Rus...?


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Re: 2024-2025 Fur Prices [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #8272664
11/27/24 08:33 AM
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Forty years ago during a slump in the market, Sandy Sandman a Hudson’s Bay ranch fur rep. Came to a KMMBA meeting and spoke of good demand in cheap mink (below production cost) maybe he was right. And groeny is filling the niche.

Something needs to change and probably has. The goal/era of using animals strictly for recreation has arrived. It’s a sign of the times.

Re: 2024-2025 Fur Prices [Re: Boco] #8272681
11/27/24 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Boco
Originally Posted by MB Coonguy
regardless of anyway you spin this-trapping never makes any of us any profit-period. Working for $2.00 an hour isn't profit. We haven't been on the profit side of things for a lot of years.As long as we still enjoy the whole process then we can live with it I guess.I just don't go overboard anymore trapping hundreds of critters for peanuts.If we are trying to make profit trapping we are barking up a coyotes butt.

I have been trapping for 50 years plus and have never lost money trapping.
Even when I worked a full time job,trapping provides important supplemental income that improves my standard of living not just financially.

I get what you're saying here Boco-you can spin it anyway you please-I've been in it as long as you have. Trapping fur isn't a money making business these days-it costs too much to catch things for the raw return=period. The time spent out trapping is priceless yes I will agree with that.The only way I see fur trappers making money these days is through ADC work-trapping doesn't make you profit to sell your fur raw to someone. If you can process your skins yourself and make things out of them yourself-yes you can profit-but not by just selling raw fur/hours etc..there is no way that make sense at todays prices.

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Re: 2024-2025 Fur Prices [Re: NonPCfed] #8272701
11/27/24 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by NonPCfed
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Russian ruble is trading at 1 cent to the US dollar.


Does it really matter what the Russian currency is trading at against the USD if the U.S. and Canadian governments forbid (sanction) trading with the Rus...?



It definitely matters to the fur trade what the value of the ruble is.

Everybody buys to sell into that market, Greece, Turkey, and China buy fur to sell into that market.

Wonder why there is no real raccoon, muskrat market?

Once it is dressed and finished into hats and garments in each country it is sold into that russia market.

Re: 2024-2025 Fur Prices [Re: Dirt] #8272714
11/27/24 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Dirt
Hard to believe beaver prices dropped when trappers and fur buyers collected and sold end users a sub par product. frown

I think you're old enough to have seen this before


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Re: 2024-2025 Fur Prices [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #8272730
11/27/24 10:35 AM
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Per capita, Ukraine buys more fur than Russia so that is another 40-50 million people that are not buying much fur the last 3 years or so either.

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Re: 2024-2025 Fur Prices [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #8272741
11/27/24 10:44 AM
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Been awhile since the Russian ruble card has been played

That whole situation is going to be drastically different in a few months

Re: 2024-2025 Fur Prices [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #8272745
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I sure hate to continue to be a part of selling sub-par pelts into you northern trapper's fur market and depressing it more and faster than it should be.

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Re: 2024-2025 Fur Prices [Re: jeff karsten] #8272760
11/27/24 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by jeff karsten
Originally Posted by Dirt
Hard to believe beaver prices dropped when trappers and fur buyers collected and sold end users a sub par product. frown

I think you're old enough to have seen this before

Grading goes out the window when markets get hot. That ussually doesn't end well.

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Re: 2024-2025 Fur Prices [Re: spjones] #8272921
11/27/24 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by spjones
Been awhile since the Russian ruble card has been played

That whole situation is going to be drastically different in a few months

Sure hope so.

As long as the governments don't ask for "End User Certificates" from our fur buyers that deal with RU....LOL


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