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Re: How much to retire? [Re: spjones] #8272859
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Originally Posted by spjones
Originally Posted by Trapper Dahlgren
green bay is right, all you young guys, start now, fine an investor, that you can trust, and meet with him regularly,



Great advice but,,,,,,,

Learn to do it yourself

Chart your own future

Don’t pay someone else to do it

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Great advise but,,,,

The average person in their early 20s probably knows little to nothing about investing and would be better off meeting with a pro. Within 3-5 years, they should have had time to learn and figure a lot of things out and then go out on their own. Thatd be better than doing completely stupid stuff for the first 10 years of your working career. Just my opinion....

Re: How much to retire? [Re: pintail_drake04] #8272861
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Originally Posted by pintail_drake04
Originally Posted by Green Bay
The real time to start thinking about retirement was when you first started working. The wonders of compounding interest over 30 years really make a difference.


I started saving for retirement at age 14. Figured it out back then I didn't want to work my entire life only to be broken down in retirement like my parents. Compound interest is a beautiful thing. As been stated by people far wealthier than me, the first $100K is the hardest to acquire. After that it builds quick, fast, and in a hurry! I have had it planned out since I was 14, to retire at 50 with my wife (her choice if she wants to work). So, that is what I've planned for. When my friends were buying their new trucks, boats, guns, phones, etc. I was making do with what I had, socking away every penny I could using a flip phone, driving a 12yo truck, etc. Now, I'm 11 years from retirement and in a far better position than my most all of my friends, family, and even a lot of coworkers. It SUCKS at times! I won't lie. I wanted many things, but I also want to RETIRE AND ENJOY LIFE at 50yo more.

As for a specific number, that is impossible to pin down. Everyone has their own habits, hobbies, etc. so their expenses will be different. My wife is 8 years younger than me; she likes to make money while I like to save money. We work well together. She can work another 15 plus years after I retire. But since I was so frugal and strategic in my early life, we have no debt other than our mortgage which will be paid off soon. We will continue to live off one paycheck and invest the other. Even if she takes a penalty for early retirement, we will be ok. I have a specific number in mind I would like to see before I retire (not counting my pension). I should exceed that with several years left to work. But I won't let up just because I reach my goal.

Best advice I got was to start early! I tell everyone take advantage of employer match but put at least 15-20% of your money into your retirement each check. More if you can swing it. You won't miss it if you start out doing it that way, and you will soon learn to do without. Every time I get a raise; I take 1/2 of the raise and put it in retirement. All those cool new toys now, will be worthless when you need the money the later in life. Most are too short sighted to be that disciplined. They think, "I work hard, I deserve this xyz." Then they complain they can't retire because they have nothing saved.


Spot on. Start early and get out of debt and never go back in.
Sorry, cant help with your specific number. As others have said, it varies too much based on location and what you want to do in retirement.

Re: How much to retire? [Re: trapperkeck] #8272870
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I get what your saying midlander,,,,not arguing

But would say that today’s young people have a huge advantage and likely know a lot more about finance/investing than folks 30-40-50-60 years ago,,,,,just from technology

There’s no excuse

Back in the day,,,,,you had to wait for the newspaper. and going through pages of really small print. lol
Physically go to the bank

If anything,,,,hiring help later in life makes more sense

The numbers are bigger. Taxes are more complicated


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Re: How much to retire? [Re: Trapper5123] #8272886
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Originally Posted by Trapper5123
Want to retire early? Don't get married.

Happy wife happy life
Or is it
No wife happy life


Life ain't supposed to be easy.
Re: How much to retire? [Re: trapperkeck] #8272891
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I was tired yesterday. I'm retired today.

Re: How much to retire? [Re: trapperkeck] #8272900
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Save early. Safe often. And save as much as you can. Your savings plan for retirement should be your first payment to you.

Money should be scattered in multiple plans. You want streams of income coming in from multiple locations.

Live within your means. Try to be as debt free as you can when you retire. But that can’t always be the case. Each individuals situation is different. And life can throw you a curve at anytime.

Your best investment is in yourself.

Re: How much to retire? [Re: trapperkeck] #8273003
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The key to retirement is not the amount of money that you have saved but how much you have coming in. Can you make it comfortably with you retirement income? If so you're golden.

Re: How much to retire? [Re: Bruce T] #8273059
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Originally Posted by Bruce T
If people can't live on $4,500 a month something is wrong.


I live on less than that. It all depends on how much you've saved your whole life, if you got married or not, had kids or not, etc.
I never got married, never had kids and saved my butt off since my late teens. I retired at 55 11 1/2 years ago. I don't try to keep up with the Jones' , I don't spend money like a mental patient.
I've got more money in the bank now than I did when I retired. I'm STILL socking away the money.

Your lifestyle will determine how much you're going to need later. If you live beyond your means you're in for a TON of trouble later. Guaranteed.

Re: How much to retire? [Re: spjones] #8273102
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Originally Posted by spjones
I get what your saying midlander,,,,not arguing

But would say that today’s young people have a huge advantage and likely know a lot more about finance/investing than folks 30-40-50-60 years ago,,,,,just from technology

There’s no excuse

Back in the day,,,,,you had to wait for the newspaper. and going through pages of really small print. lol
Physically go to the bank

If anything,,,,hiring help later in life makes more sense

The numbers are bigger. Taxes are more complicated


You sure have a good point about tax complications ....

Re: How much to retire? [Re: trapperkeck] #8273134
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There are some simple considerations that can help answer the complex question.

How much you save / wisely invest for retirement is important.
How much you spend when retired is important.
How is your health?
How much debt do you have?
Will you inherit any money?
How early do you retire?
Do you have any income when retired?
Do you receive blessings from God?

Take advice from wealthy people.
Marry well.
Work to improve yourself.

I was extremely fortunate with the woman that i married.
She was a beautiful tall model, great personality, very intelligent with a great non-modeling career, loved the outdoors, asked me to marry her, encouraged me to enjoy my outdoor activities, and she bought me a new truck as a wedding gift.

We both worked very hard.
I retired at 55.
We both had great careers.
After retirement from my career, i started a business which was successful and eventually retired from that.
Now while retired we are involved in a different business from which we have business expenses and business income - very important.
I work approximately 15 hours per week in our business and managing our retirement projects.
We have no debt.
Many of my / our successes can be directly attributed to being blessings from God. He presented blessings and opportunities. We worked diligently to make the most of those blessings and opportunities.
Consider looking at retirement in a different way. It does not necessarily mean a completely idle life of no responsibility.
it is possible to make a significant income after retirement.
Other than health problems, we are very happy with our situation.


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Re: How much to retire? [Re: Dirt] #8273166
11/27/24 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Dirt
Originally Posted by Steven 49er
Insurance might be the killers.
If you don't spend tons of money here, you can live pretty cheap .


Thanks for staying the obvious lol.

Can here as well as long as one doesn't own much and don't leave the house.


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Re: How much to retire? [Re: trapperkeck] #8273189
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Originally Posted by trapperkeck
I've read a few articles and there are a sh-------, err, a lot of different ideas on how much you need to retire. It seems, the vast majority of current retirees are getting it done with less than 350k in retirement savings (household). This seems grossly inadequate to me and I put "the cheap" in frugal. What do y'all think? Let's just assume a husband and wife getting a combined $4,500k/mo. Social Security check. We, currently, have no debt. Are retired folks borrowing $$$ for cars and such? How much do you think you should have? I'm 54 and have been in the business of retirement planning in the past, but I would sure like to get your take on how much is enough!?


Back to your question Brian. 45 k combined income where you live wouldn't be enough IMHO. I'd shoot for a combined income of 80 to a 100k of you plan on staying in MN


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Re: How much to retire? [Re: trapperkeck] #8273190
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10g a month is about avg Id say.


Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
Re: How much to retire? [Re: trapperkeck] #8273200
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You mean you aren’t planning on your retirement trapping income to cover any gaps ? LOL. With the price volitivity of the cost of living expenses and periods of 20+% inflation there is really no real way to know how much one going to need. My plan is save everything we can, live frugal see how long we can make it last. I love the financial planners first question” How much do you WANT to spend when you retire?”


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Re: How much to retire? [Re: trapperkeck] #8273208
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I dont like frugal
When your dead your dead for a long time.


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Re: How much to retire? [Re: trapperkeck] #8273217
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Amount of money is irrelevant if you don't have well thought out and achievable personal goals. Plan your work and work your plan(s). Educate and condition yourself to achieve those goals. Set and realize your priorities and discipline yourself mentally, physically, and financially wise to follow through with those plans. Eliminate all financial responsibilities and obligations as much and as soon as possible. Learn to live comfortably within your means and enjoy the knowledge of not being obligated. :-)


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Re: How much to retire? [Re: trapperkeck] #8273219
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50 g x 20=…….. add it up.,,,,, now if ya live older……
Rest home is 10- 13 g
My property taxes are 8 g in wa and 5 in az…..


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Re: How much to retire? [Re: trapperkeck] #8273245
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That's the problem Vinke, if you have much, cant run from the tax man.

After that it's the insurance man.


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Re: How much to retire? [Re: Steven 49er] #8273259
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Originally Posted by Steven 49er
That's the problem Vinke, if you have much, cant run from the tax man.

After that it's the insurance man.



Truth,,,,,, run poor,,,,,
Trust for inheritance………
And I am poor white trash in my blood….
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Re: How much to retire? [Re: Vinke] #8273264
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Originally Posted by Vinke
50 g x 20=…….. add it up.,,,,, now if ya live older……
Rest home is 10- 13 g
My property taxes are 8 g in wa and 5 in az…..


You live in the wrong part of the State, Dave. My property taxes are $1200/year
I'll start drawing SS in 3 months, 70 years old. Don't owe anything and I live on $2000/month. I would be a nervous wreck though if I did not have a nest egg that is growing.
One thing though in wife/no wife debate though, I recently broke up with my girlfriend and that has saved me mucho money. Single and looking could be the worst yet.

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