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Re: Trapping and taxes [Re: WI Outdoors] #8273657
11/28/24 12:13 PM
11/28/24 12:13 PM
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se South Dakota
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I have other micro gigs on the side so I would claim both the income and the expenses on my fed income tax return (my state doesn't have a income tax). Overall, my total gig business, I use the name my state sales tax license is under, has either a slight profit or a slight loss year-to-year. It doesn't really affect me in the end because all of our itemized deductions don't add up to the married, joint filing standard deduction.

The IRS hasn't audited us yet and I've been doing my own taxes with H.&R. Block's home software for a decade or more now.

As some have said, keep records. Its better to have them than not if they come around sniffing.


"And God said, Let us make man in our image �and let them have dominion �and all the creatures that move along the ground".
Genesis 1:26
Re: Trapping and taxes [Re: WI Outdoors] #8273660
11/28/24 12:22 PM
11/28/24 12:22 PM
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Very SE Nebraska
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Animal Damage Control business?


Life ain't supposed to be easy.
Re: Trapping and taxes [Re: WI Outdoors] #8273679
11/28/24 12:43 PM
11/28/24 12:43 PM
Joined: Jun 2022
Manitoba
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Manitoba
Originally Posted by WI Outdoors
So most lose money and trap for fun. So.....if you get a fur check for say 500 and your costs are say 700. Would you even make the claim? No reason to. No profit. Yes/no?

Absolutely. It's additional income. Wait till you see what my costs will be this year. Mileage, gear costs, snowmobile (which is strictly a trapping sled), hotel rooms for conventions, mileage to conventions are all a tax write off. Out here I can spread my costs over a few years to reduce the expenses. It all comes off my gross which will be the biggest year of my life. Storms pay well and must be willing to go out 24/7....lol


Wind Blew, crap flew, out came the line crew
Re: Trapping and taxes [Re: WI Outdoors] #8273680
11/28/24 12:44 PM
11/28/24 12:44 PM
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Interior Alaska
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For many years, I produced a profit and loss statement. I have been through two IRS audits and one federal government claims audit and I have kept my books clear of any of my hobby’s.

The biggest problem with IRS is they believe you’re guilty before proven innocent!


I love the smell of burning spruce---I love the sound of a spring time goose---I love the feel of 40 below---from my trapline I will never go!
Re: Trapping and taxes [Re: WI Outdoors] #8273686
11/28/24 12:49 PM
11/28/24 12:49 PM
Joined: Nov 2007
St. Cloud, MN
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I have never trapped for "fun" or knowing I would lose money. I always filed a schedule C for my trapping business. Y'all do you, I reckon. I haven't trapped for about 8 years now, no money in it for me.


"The voice of reason!"
Re: Trapping and taxes [Re: WI Outdoors] #8273687
11/28/24 12:49 PM
11/28/24 12:49 PM
Joined: Dec 2010
Armpit, ak
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The irs has a website.


Who is John Galt?
Re: Trapping and taxes [Re: WI Outdoors] #8273705
11/28/24 01:05 PM
11/28/24 01:05 PM
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“ Fur money~what fur money?” Hobbie- cash or barter.

Re: Trapping and taxes [Re: WI Outdoors] #8273774
11/28/24 02:27 PM
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No they don’t even want to go there if I was the IRS

Re: Trapping and taxes [Re: WI Outdoors] #8273799
11/28/24 03:12 PM
11/28/24 03:12 PM
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Somewhere in an otherwise empty office building on thanksgiving a single IRS agent is reading this and rubbing his hands together

Re: Trapping and taxes [Re: panaxman] #8273801
11/28/24 03:14 PM
11/28/24 03:14 PM
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Eastern Shore of Maryland
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Originally Posted by panaxman
“ Fur money~what fur money?” Hobbie- cash or barter.


Either way, as I pointed out I have to keep record for the vehicle tag.


-Goofy
Re: Trapping and taxes [Re: WI Outdoors] #8273898
11/28/24 05:28 PM
11/28/24 05:28 PM
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East of the Mason-Dixon Line
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Taxes are theft


It’s deer hunting, not deer passing.

If I have a tag, I’m ready to drag.

Re: Trapping and taxes [Re: 3 Fingers] #8273918
11/28/24 05:57 PM
11/28/24 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by 3 Fingers
Somewhere in an otherwise empty office building on thanksgiving a single IRS agent is reading this and rubbing his hands together

He's probably rubbing something else and dreaming of being the hero that brings in dozens of dollars in taxes owed by trappers lol

Re: Trapping and taxes [Re: Boco] #8274004
11/28/24 08:28 PM
11/28/24 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Boco
Keep records of all expenses trapping related..
There are many allowable tax deductions available to the small buisnessman.If you operate out of your home,many of your home expenses can be partially used to lower tax liability.Direct buisness losses can be carried over from poor years to be used to lower your tax liability in good years.
Commercial trapping falls under the same tax code as farming and commercial fishing.(here).
Like Dirt said if you are a hobby trapper,just claim the income with your other income.

That's only if you have a business license.

Re: Trapping and taxes [Re: WI Outdoors] #8274059
11/28/24 09:57 PM
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Right with you AK Timber- he is rubbing one out !

Re: Trapping and taxes [Re: WI Outdoors] #8274078
11/29/24 12:10 AM
11/29/24 12:10 AM
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You giys are kidding, correct? An IRS person actually working on Thanksgiving??! Unless they work on commission or bounty.

They are about the only civilian feds that you can't find out specifically what individual people make a year. I haven't gone looking for those websites for a while but at one time I knew what every fed in my work place (over 100+ people) made within the last couple of years. It was quite revealing, some surprises, but mostly not.


"And God said, Let us make man in our image �and let them have dominion �and all the creatures that move along the ground".
Genesis 1:26
Re: Trapping and taxes [Re: NonPCfed] #8274118
11/29/24 06:01 AM
11/29/24 06:01 AM
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Originally Posted by NonPCfed
You giys are kidding, correct? An IRS person actually working on Thanksgiving??! Unless they work on commission or bounty.

They are about the only civilian feds that you can't find out specifically what individual people make a year. I haven't gone looking for those websites for a while but at one time I knew what every fed in my work place (over 100+ people) made within the last couple of years. It was quite revealing, some surprises, but mostly not.

How many of those 100+ were "nonessential" when the Gubmint went on strike to get more money to spend?


Life ain't supposed to be easy.
Re: Trapping and taxes [Re: WI Outdoors] #8274123
11/29/24 06:13 AM
11/29/24 06:13 AM
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Just tell the the tax man the burden of proof is on the accuser here in the United States.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Trapping and taxes [Re: WI Outdoors] #8274125
11/29/24 06:26 AM
11/29/24 06:26 AM
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"Innocent until proven guilty" doesn't apply anymore. Especially the Gubmint.


Life ain't supposed to be easy.
Re: Trapping and taxes [Re: WI Outdoors] #8274187
11/29/24 08:22 AM
11/29/24 08:22 AM
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Income is income regardless of where it comes from so you are legally required to report it. Seems like there are three choices, don't report it and hope you are never audited, report it as hobby income and pay tax on all of it, or report as business income and deduct expenses to reduce your overall tax liability.

Re: Trapping and taxes [Re: danny clifton] #8274240
11/29/24 09:33 AM
11/29/24 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
Just tell the the tax man the burden of proof is on the accuser here in the United States.



Unfortunately that isn't true in Tax Court. You need to be charged under title 18 to get into a real criminal court where Constitutional guarantees are still sort of recognized.


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