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Re: Ethical harvest?? [Re: 2zwudz] #8271713
11/26/24 11:18 AM
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I'm not debating anything. To each his own as long as it's legal.

Once your kids learn shooting skills on live animals.. you gonna teach them how to hunt wild, free ranging critters?


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Re: Ethical harvest?? [Re: 2zwudz] #8271746
11/26/24 11:48 AM
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Heck, I know of guys that regularly hunt deer on back roads with a pickup and a snowplow... ooops, hit another one... Legal?, ethical?, lol

Re: Ethical harvest?? [Re: Swamp Wolf] #8271756
11/26/24 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
I'm not debating anything. To each his own as long as it's legal.

Once your kids learn shooting skills on live animals.. you gonna teach them how to hunt wild, free ranging critters?



Girls were running traps long before they shot hogs. Every other critter been shot as well. All but Sarah. That girl don't want to kill nothing. Mommy's daughter I guess. lol

Re: Ethical harvest?? [Re: Providence Farm] #8274584
11/29/24 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Just thought about mor to add. My inlawas now live in my old house where my daughter shot a few deer out off the bathroom window. The last few years my mother inlaw and brother inlaw have shot the deer they have ksislled out of the bathroom window or garage they built window. The only reason that window was put in the garage was so they could shoot deer out of it. It's all about proper planning.



My mother in law shot a big doe out of the bathroom window again on Thanksgiving after we left. got to say that house is the most expensive deer stand I have ever bought but it multi year round use.

Re: Ethical harvest?? [Re: WI Outdoors] #8274598
11/29/24 06:41 PM
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This is one of the problems with society. Letting the law decide what’s ethical or not.

Re: Ethical harvest?? [Re: WI Outdoors] #8274600
11/29/24 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by WI Outdoors
Did you break any laws? If not, you're fine.


Big problem with society today… going by what the law says is ethical instead of having your own moral compass

Re: Ethical harvest?? [Re: 2zwudz] #8274608
11/29/24 06:52 PM
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How about just supporting each other on a legal shot and way of hunting instead of just your own way to hunt.Bad enough fighting all the antis.Even if you don't like that way to hunt support them anyways.The antis will get us one at a time.The other guys way to hunt gets outlawed guess what?Yours is next.


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Re: Ethical harvest?? [Re: 2zwudz] #8274650
11/29/24 07:19 PM
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I’m speaking more in general for society. Happy people feed themselves however they can.

Look at striped bass on the east coast.. severely restricted harvesting of a migratory fish but somehow Massachusettes is allowed to harvest them commercially…

Re: Ethical harvest?? [Re: 2zwudz] #8275107
11/30/24 09:30 AM
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You have a problem with commercial fishermen catching food for people that don't fish???

Re: Ethical harvest?? [Re: gcs] #8275168
11/30/24 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by gcs
You have a problem with commercial fishermen catching food for people that don't fish???

is that how you take what he wrote?

It's very clear a migratory fish moves. It's restricted heavily for individuals to harvest in part if it's range for the species supposed protection but a shirt distance away the same fish have no restrictions even for large scale harvest. Seems like a huge double standard at best. He is clearly referring to contradiction in laws. Yet you seem to want to act like he has an issue with commercial fishing and that takes a very big leap from what he wrote

Re: Ethical harvest?? [Re: 2zwudz] #8275239
11/30/24 12:38 PM
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Lifelong Alaskan and also Alaska native, I personally hate the commercial fishing industry. Most of the boats and crews aren't alaskans, they're usually addicts and vagrants who show up to trash Alaska for a couple months a year, then go find a bridge to sleep under in warmer climates until next fishing season

Re: Ethical harvest?? [Re: 2zwudz] #8275324
11/30/24 02:39 PM
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Yes, that's how I took it and still do...The entire Atlantic states fisheries are heavily managed with quotas, license moratoriums, and slot sizes, and the recreational harvest surpasses the commercial quota. The fishery is not endangered.

How is the commercial take of fish for the market different than trappers selling their catch so that non trappers can buy a beaver coat...?

Re: Ethical harvest?? [Re: Providence Farm] #8275327
11/30/24 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
[quote=gcs]You have a problem with commercial fishermen catching food for people that don't fish???

is that how you take what he wrote?

It's very clear a migratory fish moves. It's restricted heavily for individuals to harvest in part if it's range for the species supposed protection but a shirt distance away the same fish have no restrictions even for large scale harvest. Seems like a huge double standard at best. He is clearly referring to contradiction in laws. Yet you seem to want to act like he has an issue with commercial fishing and that takes a very big leap from what he wrote

Thank you providence farm for articulating my point well.

Re: Ethical harvest?? [Re: gcs] #8275333
11/30/24 02:46 PM
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I don't hate the concept of commercially harvesting natural resources, I fall timber for a living and sell firewood all winter. I'm specifically saying the fishing industry in Alaska attracts some of the lowest level individuals the world has to offer, which causes a lot places in coastal AK problems with substances, assaults, etc. It's not inherently the fishing that's an issue, so much as the crowds of s***heads who come up seasonally thinking they're gonna strike it rich

Re: Ethical harvest?? [Re: 2zwudz] #8275337
11/30/24 02:52 PM
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Deckhands ain't fishermen, lol

I feel your pain. grin

Re: Ethical harvest?? [Re: gcs] #8275342
11/30/24 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by gcs
Deckhands ain't fishermen, lol

I feel your pain. grin

Deckhands aren't even most of the issue, they should be out to sea mostly. The processors are the real issue, land based or floating. I can't say all fish processors are bad people, but all bad people have had a job processing fish lol

Re: Ethical harvest?? [Re: 2zwudz] #8275353
11/30/24 03:21 PM
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So the chinook salmon in the pacific northwest to alaska are in a severe decline. In the gulf of alaska thousands of chinook are legal harverted or killed that are from WA,OR. and B.C. it appears to be legal, because the State only has escapement goals for Alaska fish, not other peoples fish.


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Re: Ethical harvest?? [Re: 2zwudz] #8275381
11/30/24 04:04 PM
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I wear all orange T-shirts so even if I am just running out to grab a beer from the cooler and a deer wanders into the yard I can grab my loaded gun leaned up just outside the door a few feet and have at it

my dad stood and looked at one in the front yard this year I pulled up in the truck having just ran and checked out a drive we were about to do , I am pulling in pointing , oh he saw it , he was standing next to my loaded gun watching the deer.

it has to be between the open and close of season for the day

you have to be on land you have permission to hunt on

you have to have 50% of your upper body in orange.

you have to have a tag for it

shooting from a paved road is a no no

shooting from the car/truck is a no no without a disabled permit

shooting a youths antlerless tag for them is a no no.

but standing in the front yard as long as the shot is a safe one , take it.


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Re: Ethical harvest?? [Re: 2zwudz] #8275405
11/30/24 04:45 PM
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We have a personal rule that deer that can be seen from the house are off limits.
The rule only applies to wife and me because we are the only ones who live and hunt here.
However, once during gun season while in for lunch and wearing jongjohns and a blaze orange shirt while eating a bowl of stew from the dining room window saw an obviously wounded buck near the edge of the garden. Quite a run-on sentence!
Went out onto the porch and shot the buck. Nobody came around asking to track a wounded buck so i tagged it.
Everything was done pursuant to the regulations.


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Re: Ethical harvest?? [Re: Willy Firewood] #8275408
11/30/24 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Willy Firewood
We have a personal rule that deer that can be seen from the house are off limits.
The rule only applies to wife and me because we are the only ones who live and hunt here.
However, once during gun season while in for lunch and wearing jongjohns and a blaze orange shirt while eating a bowl of stew from the dining room window saw an obviously wounded buck near the edge of the garden. Quite a run-on sentence!
Went out onto the porch and shot the buck. Nobody came around asking to track a wounded buck so i tagged it.
Everything was done pursuant to the regulations.

LOl....our rule is who sees it first gets the shot. grin but I would give the wife first chance.


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