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Veterinarian pistol? #8280956
12/08/24 05:08 AM
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First I ever heard of one.
Supposed to have been used to make the hit in New York

Re: Veterinarian pistol? [Re: otter3006] #8280994
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Yea I’m calling BS on this to . I can’t believe there hasn’t been any veterinarians step up .

Re: Veterinarian pistol? [Re: otter3006] #8281032
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They have made veterinary pistols for years to
Euthanize stuff like cattle horses, etc. Them being silenced is something new to me
I’ve seen them in 380 and 38

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Re: Veterinarian pistol? [Re: otter3006] #8281078
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Re: Veterinarian pistol? [Re: otter3006] #8281082
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I heard it was a 22 with subsonic rounds that wouldn't cycle, so he had to manually re (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) it, but have no idea really what was used and I doubt the police are giving facts.

Re: Veterinarian pistol? [Re: otter3006] #8281083
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H & K makes them also, single shots and magazine fed. .22 up to .45






Re: Veterinarian pistol? [Re: otter3006] #8281095
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Must have been a larger round than a .22.

He wrote on the casings.


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Re: Veterinarian pistol? [Re: otter3006] #8281124
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Heard 9mm

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Re: Veterinarian pistol? [Re: Donnie H] #8281144
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Originally Posted by Donnie H
Heard 9mm


I heard phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range...

Re: Veterinarian pistol? [Re: otter3006] #8281212
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Police are under a lot of pressure to catch him. Since he is not caught, they don't have much to go on. I hope they dont pick some poor devil and frame and or compel him to confess just to keep face.


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Re: Veterinarian pistol? [Re: otter3006] #8281224
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Well they have pictures of him and claim they found were he was staying and have DNA... came by bus from Atlanta, but could be from anywhere. I'm sure he's long gone. Unless someone knows him and flips him in it may be a long manhunt...

Re: Veterinarian pistol? [Re: otter3006] #8281312
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The pistol, whether B&T or H&K, is not a common firearm and is suppressed so an NFA item (the suppressor). Everybody that owns one is likely checking to see if theirs has been stolen. That could identify the pistol used and put the perp in a particular vicinity. Between that and the photo and DNA, I think LE has a good chance to identify the guy and ultimately capture him. I guess it is also possible the pistol came in from Mexico via cartel at someone's request. In that case finding the perp will be a lot more difficult.

Money and planning went into the murder. The CEO was going thru a divorce but LE has said they don't think his murder had anything to do with his private life. Is LE lying to make someone comfortable and perhaps let something slip? Was the writing on the cases misdirection by the perp or was the murder an activist act by someone(s) angry at the health insurance industry, United Health in particular?

Re: Veterinarian pistol? [Re: otter3006] #8281333
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Originally Posted by otter3006
First I ever heard of one.
Supposed to have been used to make the hit in New York



they made an integrally suppressed gun in WWII that later got called the vet / used as the vet gun

it is called the WELL ROD , or the bike pump gun

that is NOT what was used in NYC shooting

it was a fairly run of the mill semi auto with a suppressor probably the fuel filter type without a Neilson device

that is why it didn't return to battery and had to eject 2 live rounds onto the ground

a Neilson device is a spring actuator that helps with the barrel movement on a tilting barrel delayed blow back like the 1911 or almost all modern
by letting the barrel and suppressor move semi independently under recoil it lets them return back to alignment after the shot

without it they stay in alignment and your slide has to move like there is a pound of suppressor hanging off the barrel because there is

there is already some good video out on exactly how this works

people want to think this was some special equipment , or professional shooter , that is not the case , this is an armature who is good ad city navigation and public transportation but never tested the gun suppressor combo and used target ammo.

I believe this is a case of someone got pushed far enough they went violent on the person they saw as the problem.


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Re: Veterinarian pistol? [Re: otter3006] #8281446
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Pete, what you describe is what I thought initially. A mismatched pistol and suppresor that caused a failure to cycle properly, hence the live rounds ejected in the process of clearing the malfunction. Then this morning I saw a news report that described the weapon as a 9mm, bolt action, suppressed pistol. There is also video footage on the web that shows the weapon being fired. It is clearly not an oil filter suppresor but something much closer in diameter to the barrel/slide. It looks very much like the B&T in the video from my original post. In that video the pistol is fired a number of times and the shooters appear (to me) to have some difficulty that could result in live rounds not feeding and being dumped on the ground.

Re: Veterinarian pistol? [Re: otter3006] #8282212
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Turns out the gun was home made, 3D printer they are saying. More like what GCP was thinking. Multiple malfunctions spilling unfired rounds.
The guy was captured this afternoon in a McDonalds in Altoona Pa, about 100 mi east of Pittsburg. He was recognized by an employee and police notified.

Re: Veterinarian pistol? [Re: EdP] #8282213
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Originally Posted by EdP
Pete, what you describe is what I thought initially. A mismatched pistol and suppresor that caused a failure to cycle properly, hence the live rounds ejected in the process of clearing the malfunction. Then this morning I saw a news report that described the weapon as a 9mm, bolt action, suppressed pistol. There is also video footage on the web that shows the weapon being fired. It is clearly not an oil filter suppresor but something much closer in diameter to the barrel/slide. It looks very much like the B&T in the video from my original post. In that video the pistol is fired a number of times and the shooters appear (to me) to have some difficulty that could result in live rounds not feeding and being dumped on the ground.


there are two type of oil filter or filter suppressors

there is a 1/2-28 thread adapter to common oil filters like Fram , wix, ac delco and there are what Temue calls fuel filters that are a can with basic baffles that have a 1/2-28 thread
these are not much on filtration but happen to be an aluminum cylinder with the right thread that were imported as fuel filters and fuel is an oil even if a thin one.


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Re: Veterinarian pistol? [Re: otter3006] #8282312
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Re: Veterinarian pistol? [Re: EdP] #8282325
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Originally Posted by EdP

Yup but with no hole in the end it is a solvent trap

you can't really stop anyone from making a suppressor but when they can buy a filter/solvent trap that is most of the way there is sure makes it even easier.

in all reality suppressors should never have been banned
that would be exactly the opposite of all conventional logic , you are required to sell lawnmowers and cars with mufflers to reduce hearing loss but because it was an early attempt to ban a significant number of guns outright in 1934 , when a major part of it was shot down the language that remained made less sense but remained.

carrying a gun in NYC is illegal for someone from out of state
murder is illegal
if your going to murder someone , what do you add to life to punish them more for using a suppressor

from the video , at the distance he was at for the first shot a few quick steps and a knife could have worked just as well.
there was a witness right there feet away the guy didn't care about witnesses and also did nothing to harm the witness.


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Re: Veterinarian pistol? [Re: EdP] #8282326
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Originally Posted by EdP


better ger an approved form 1 before ordering. In the past year. ATF has shown up to people's home that ordered solvent traps . Videos have been going around.

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