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Re: How 'bout them CHIEEEEFS!!!
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Why are you guys calling him a goat????????????
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Re: How 'bout them CHIEEEEFS!!!
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12/21/24 06:04 PM
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14-1 Baby!!! By far the best team in the NFL. Proving it every week! Undisputed GOAT right here.... LOL He has a hard time making the top 10 in todays quarterbacks , let alone all time quarterbacks. He reminds me of LeBron James , a winer ! Don't see them winning the SB, might not even make it there.
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Re: How 'bout them CHIEEEEFS!!!
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12/21/24 06:09 PM
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kC Cheats still haven't scored 30 or more points all season.
It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.
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Re: How 'bout them CHIEEEEFS!!!
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kC Cheats still haven't scored 30 or more points all season. Is that necessary to win? When the Bills hang 38 on yah...it will be a problem
It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.
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Re: How 'bout them CHIEEEEFS!!!
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Whaaaaaat? Makes no sense. Found out all 32 nfl teams have been caught cheating.....LOL They are all cheaters
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Re: How 'bout them CHIEEEEFS!!!
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The Patriots are not the only team to ever bend the rules a bit to give themselves an advantage, however. The following is a list of at least one example of how every NFL team has cheated over the years, including the Patriots, Colts, Jets, Ravens and more.
Yourteamcheats.com was used as a reference on this project, and offers a helpful look into how the rest of the league has cheated since the league's beginning.
AFC East
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Buffalo Bills
Former Buffalo Bills special teams coach John Steven Moore admitted to some subtle gamesmanship back in the early 1980s, when he wrote about opening up the stadium doors to create a wind tunnel against opponents. Here's what Moore had to say about that in his book "Ineffective Habits of Financial Advisors".
"The wind can blow hard off of Lake Erie. It blows easterly, swooping over the left rim of Buffalo's Ralph Wilson Stadium, down to the field and then back up over the luxury suites on the right. It can swirl and have a modest impact on the outcome of a football game. You can't control the wind, but you can use it to your advantage -- make it an opportunity."
"I was the special teams coach for the Buffalo Bills in the early 1980s. In our pregame warm-up, as we prepared to play the New England Patriots, the wind was blowing hard. I figured we could create a wind tunnel if we opened the east-side tunnel door of the stadium when New England was kicking against the wind. I worked with our equipment managers and told them, on my signal, to open the doors. Thinking back about it, I do feel a little bad for the New England punter. On his first punt against the wind, the ball came off his foot nicely, but then the wind puntied it right back at him. In a game with dozens of consequential plays, sometimes it's just one that can make a big difference. I used the wind to our advantage. We won the game and that's why I only feel a little bad."
While the rulebook likely doesn't explicitly have a rule against this practice, the Bills later used extended pre-play stadium noise to disrupt the Patriots' no-huddle offense.
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Miami Dolphins
The Miami Dolphins hired Don Shula as their coach in 1970, and went on to go undefeated and win the Super Bowl in 1972. However, before that run, Miami had to fork over its 1971 first-round pick to the Baltimore Colts, as they were caught with three counts of tampering in order to hire Shula.
Shula was still head coach of the Colts in 1969 when Dolphins owner Joe Robbie approached him to sign a contract. It was determined as cheating, and Miami was punished for it.
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New England Patriots
Spygate and Deflategate. If you're reading this site, you probably don't need a refresher on either of those. But just in case you do...
Spygate: The Patriots were caught illegally videotaping Jets coaching staff's signals in a game in 2007, which led to a loss of a first-round pick, a $500,000 fine to Bill Belichick and a $250,000 fine to the team.
Deflategate: The Patriots were caught allegedly deliberately using deflated footballs in a win over the Colts in the AFC Championship game in 2015, which led to a loss of a first-round pick and a fourth-round pick, a $1 million fine and a four-game suspension for Tom Brady.
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New York Jets
This is Sal Alosi. He used to be a strength coach for the New York Jets. He is no longer with the team, after he tripped Miami Dolphins special teamer Nolan Carroll mid-game.
Watch the play here. It was not great.
AFC North
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Baltimore Ravens
After suffering a triceps injury in October, Lewis reportedly was recorded ordering deer antler spray from Sports With Alternative To Steroids (S.W.A.T.S.) owner Mitch Ross. Lewis was recorded saying, "just pile me up and just send me everything you got, because I got to get back on this this week."
Deer antler spray contains IGF-1, which is on the NFL's list of banned substances. Lewis, however, was not suspended for the allegations.
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Cincinnati Bengals
While the Bengals are among the teams with the most player arrests, they have been relatively clean when it comes to cheating scandals. Cincinnati has been busted for PED use three times — once by Dontay Moch in 2012, once by DeQuin Evans in 2013 and once by Nikita Whitlock in 2014.
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Cleveland Browns
In 2015, Cleveland Browns general manager was caught sending text messages about play selection and personnel usage to his team's sideline during games. He was caught, suspended for four games and fined $250,000 for the incident. This violates the league's policy that prohibits electronic communication during games.
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Pittsburgh Steelers
Like Sal Alosi of the New York Jets, Mike Tomlin was caught interfering with a player on the field from his position on the sideline. Baltimore Ravens returner Jacoby Jones looked as if he would be returning a punt for a touchdown, but Tomlin stood in his path on the sideline and led to an eventual tackle.
Watch video of the play here. Tomlin was fined $100,000 for the incident.
AFC South
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Houston Texans
Like the Bengals, the Texans have not done much wrong in terms of cheating scandals over the years. However, they have had four players suspended for PED use — DeMingo Graham, Brian Cushing, Duane Brown and Brett Hartmann.
Cushing, who was coming off of a Defensive Rookie of the Year season, tested positive for a banned fertility drug.
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Indianapolis Colts
This is a more recent revelation, but former offensive lineman Tarik Glenn noted that his team used hearing aids to hear Peyton Manning control the line of scrimmage. Unauthorized communication devices are not allowed by the league, but this one will likely not result in punishment as it was all the way back in Manning's rookie season in 1998.
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Jacksonville Jaguars
Like the Bengals and Texans, the Jaguars have not had any egregious instances of cheating. They have had four PED usage suspensions though, involving T.J. Slaughter, Marcus Stroud, LaRoy Reynolds and Aaron Colvin.
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Tennessee Titans
Gregg Williams, who was also involved in the Saints' Bountygate scandal, was accused of cheating when the Titans played against the Jaguars in 1999. Former Jaguars defensive end Renaldo Wynn claimed that Williams told him that he had the Jaguars' playbook in that game.
Wynn, who played for Williams later in his career, said he knew how Williams got the playbooks as well. Williams was not punished for these claims.
AFC West
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Denver Broncos
The Broncos' highest profile cheating scandal actually involved the New England Patriots' current offensive coordinator, Josh McDaniels. Denver Director of Video Operations Steve Scarnecchia was caught illegally filming San Francisco 49ers walkthrough before their game in London, which resulted in him being fired with cause.
Denver was fined $50,000 for the violation, while McDaniels was also fined $50,000 for not reporting the incident.
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Kansas City Chiefs
The Kansas City Chiefs were caught making contact with then-Philadelphia Eagles receiver Jeremy Maclin before the free agency negotiation period. That's tampering.
Kansas City was docked a third-round pick and a sixth-round pick for the infraction, to go with a $200,000 fine. Meanwhile, Andy Reid was fined $60,000 and general manager John Dorsey was fined $25,000.
Maclin ended up signing with the team on a five-year, $55 million contract.
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Los Angeles Chargers
The Chargers were caught allegedly using stickum on towels during a 2012 game, and had to pay a $20,000 fine for not immediately following the instruction of game officials. The towels were later to be provided by Gorilla Gold, which includes a tacky substance similar to what players wear on receiver gloves.
It was not the alleged stickum that resulted in the fine, however, it was the attempt to conceal the towels from the officials.
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Oakland Raiders
In 2010, with the NFL in an uncapped year, the Raiders were one of four teams to be punished for the way they structured contracts. The teams frontloaded contracts to avoid taking salary cap hits in future years when the cap kicked back in, which was frowned upon by the league.
The NFL took $46 million in cap money from the Redskins and Cowboys and redistributed that money to the rest of the league. The Raiders, however, were not among the teams that money went to, due to their punishment.
NFC East
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Dallas Cowboys
Like the Raiders, the Cowboys were involved in salary cap manipulation during the uncapped year in 2010. Unlike the Raiders, the Cowboys were actually docked cap space for their contract moves.
The Cowboys lost $10 million in cap space that year, which was redistributed to the rest of the league. They paid $5 million over two years during that time.
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New York Giants
There is a 15-second cutoff in NFL helmets, which prevents coaches from using wireless communication with quarterbacks directly before a play. To get around that, New York Giants head coach Ben McAdoo used a walkie talkie to speak with Eli Manning, which is illegal.
The Giants were fined $150,000 and McAdoo was fined $50,000, to go with their fourth round draft pick being moved to the end of the round.
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Philadelphia Eagles
The Eagles held an illegal tryout in 1980, and were caught breaking the rules. This resulted in a loss of a third round pick. As far as cheating goes, this is pretty simple stuff.
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Washington Redskins
Like the Raiders and Cowboys, the Redskins were punished for cap manipulation in 2010. Their contracts for Albert Haynesworth and DeAngelo Hall resulted in a $36 million cap punishment from the league, which was paid out in $18 million increments over two years.
NFC North
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Chicago Bears
George Halas, one of the founders of the NFL, used to partake in plenty of off-field cheating to gain an advantage on the field. He would cut holes in other teams towels and put itching powder in their soap. He had a dog trained to run out on the field if he needed a timeout and he was out of timeouts.
The Bears also had a designated "dive guy" between 2000 and 2012, who would fall to the ground in fake injury to slow down the pace of the game.
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Detroit Lions
Alex Karras, a former All-Pro defensive tackle for the Lions, was caught betting on NFL games and associating with gamblers. He was forced to sit for the entire 1963 season for his infractions, which included $50 and $100 bets (which were a lot at the time).
When he returned to action in 1964, an official asked him to call the coin toss and Karras replied, "I'm sorry sir. I'm not permitted to gamble."
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Green Bay Packers
In the early days of the league, Curly Lambeau and the Packers illegally recruited three Notre Dame players (Hunk Anderson, Ojay Larson and Hee Garvey) for their final game of the season against Milwaukee. George Halas of the then-Chicago Staleys found out, complained, and the Packers were kicked out of the league just two years after they joined it.
All turned out okay for the Packers. Lambeau bought the team back into the league via a $50 entry fee the following year.
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Minnesota Vikings
According to Dennis Green's son, Jeremy, the Vikings used to pipe crowd noise into their domed stadium between 1992 and 2001 to distract the opposition. The Vikings have denied they artificially enhance their crowd noise, but Jeremy Green said otherwise.
The Vikings were not punished for doing this, as they were never officially caught.
NFC South
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Atlanta Falcons
Like the Vikings, the Falcons illegally piped crowd noise into their stadium to gain an advantage. Unlike the Vikings, they were actually caught.
Team owner Arthur Blank admitted the infraction after his team was under investigation, and the team was fined $350,000 and docked a fifth-round pick. Team president Rich McKay was also suspended for three months, while Director of Event Marketing Roddy White (not the wide receiver) was fired for his role in the operation.
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Carolina Panthers
After Joe Gibbs turned down the Panthers for their head coaching job, Carolina was set on hiring Dom Capers as their head coach. However, they could not speak with him until after the season was over, per tampering rules. That didn't stop Jerry Richardson, as the Panthers secretly contacted Capers before the playoffs began.
Capers was hired by the Panthers, but Carolina was fined $150,000 and docked a second-round and sixth-round pick for the infraction. Pittsburgh was fined $50,000 for allowing this to happen too.
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New Orleans Saints
The final of four teams to be punished for salary cap manipulation, the Saints were punished in the same way the Raiders were. While the Redskins and Cowboys had their money re-allocated to the rest of the league, the Saints and Raiders were not given any extra cap space.
It is unclear what their violation was in the matter, but they were punished for cap manipulation anyway.
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Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Before the Tampa Bay played in Super Bowl XXXVII, Buccaneers quarterback Brad Johnson wanted the footballs to be exactly the way he wanted them. So he paid some men $7,500 to scruff and break in 100 footballs that were to be used in the Super Bowl.
The Buccaneers went on to win 48-21, and Johnson was not punished for the incident, which was not technically legal.
NFC West
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Arizona Cardinals
To this point, the Arizona Cardinals may be the team that has cheated least in the league. They only have two PED infractions — one from Ed Gant in 2010, and one from Gerell Robinson in 2012. Neither player ever played a regular season or postseason down for the Cardinals.
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Los Angeles Rams
Like the Cardinals, the Rams do not have many instances of cheating over their history. They do have six PED suspensions though, which is more than Arizona had. Those suspensions include Vernon Kirk, Scott Shanle, Austin Pettis, Brody Eldridge, Jo-Lonn Dunbar and Stedman Bailey.
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San Francisco 49ers
Jerry Rice, who is the greatest wide receiver of all time, noted that even he used to do whatever he could to get an advantage. The former 49ers great admitted in an ESPN interview that he used to use illegal stickum on his gloves to help him catch the ball.
"I know this might be a little illegal, guys, but you put a little spray, a little stickum on them, to make sure that texture is a little sticky," Rice said.
Rice later apologized, saying in a tweet that "all players did it."
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Seattle Seahawks
The Seahawks, who had seven players suspended for PED use between 2011 and 2013, have also struggled to adhere to the new NFL practice rules. Seattle was caught running illegal practices three times since 2012, which led to some legitimate punishments against the team in 2016.
The Seahawks were fined $400,000, Pete Carroll was fined $200,000 and the team lost its fifth-round draft pick as a result of the practices. They also lost the first three days of OTAs in 2017.
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Ain't nobody got time to read that dribble. LOL TLTR,,,,, you mean…… Cliff notes please……
Ant Man/ Marty 2028 just put your ear to the ground , and follow along
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