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Re: Terrorist Cyber Truck Attack. [Re: Boco] #8300652
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Originally Posted by Boco
Americans killing Americans
Nothing new there,but gonna be a lot more of that in the near future.
Mark my words,I am seldom wrong.


yeah, you're right Bozo...America is the only place where murder/terrorism is committed.

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Re: Terrorist Cyber Truck Attack. [Re: yotetrapper30] #8300672
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Originally Posted by yotetrapper30
Originally Posted by Blaine County


The Trump faithful have been ordered to trust and adore the South African/Canadian/Now I Guess American who is absolutely in no way shape or form out to further enrich himself at the expense of the US. And, to ignore how much money he has made and will make from government contracts and government subsidies. Oh yeah, and to believe Musk is one of you (with a transvestite kid--one of 12 from 3 women) and not a weird ego maniac.

And, he really doesn't mean it when he says he wants to import east Indians and Chinese because Americans are too lazy and dumb. He loves the common man and loves that they now magically admire his EVs.

America First!


You may not realize this, Blaine, since it's sure to be a foreign concept to someone with as many liberal tendencies as you have, despite you continuously declaring your conservatism, but MOST conservatives are big fans of free market capitalism. And Musk is a perfect example of what free market capitalism can do for an individual that is willing to put in the work to make something of himself. Of course Musk is out to further enrich himself, aren't we all? Well, other than those on the left that are content to live life on the government teat.

I am no fan of government subsidies, but the problem is that they exist, not that Musk took advantage of available subsidies. If he didn't, someone else would, so why not him?

Moreover, if you were actually a conservative, you would also be aware that most of us fully support LEGAL immigration. I have no problem with Indian or even Chinese immigrants so long as they come here legally and follow the process required to become citizens. I do believe we should be selective about which immigrants we allow in, but it sounds as if the ones Musk is in support of are those that educated, not knuckle-dragging third world suicide bombers. It is also hard to argue with the concept that many Americans today are too lazy and dumb to do the jobs required in today's technology sector. If you could see the students enrolled in my classes at UMGC right now, you would understand.

I surmise your post was intended to paint a picture of Musk supporting things that Trump voters oppose, but, it actually did the exact opposite. So, thanks for pointing out that Musk truly does exhibit conservative values.



Do they teach Intro to Macro Economics at your online college?

You cannot cheer for free market capitalism and also cheer for a guy whose wealth was built in large part because of government contracts, subsidies and tax credits. It is the antithesis of free market capitalism when a government picks winning industries/businesses with subsidies, tax credits, regulations, etc. I'll make it simpler--the wind energy industry. It only exists in the U.S. because of tax credits and would fail in a free market. The same is true for EVs, solar and batteries.

One would have hoped that with your new educational endeavor that you would become more objective and skeptical. If you cannot see that Elon, Vivek, Trump and the like are running a con on this country to make more money for themselves, you should ask for a refund. And the con is not availing themselves of government contracts (which I oppose), subsidies (which I oppose), tax credits (which I oppose), deregulation (which I support) and immigration (which I support). The con is getting people like yourself and Bruce T to believe that they give a crap about you and this country when all they are doing is adding zeros to their net worth.

Get back to me when you have a few more credits on the transcript. Even better, let me know when President Musk advocates for eliminating subsidies and tax credits that prop up his businesses. I will applaud him if he does, but will not be holding my breath.

Re: Terrorist Cyber Truck Attack. [Re: KeithC] #8300675
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LOLOLOLOLOLOL!

Re: Terrorist Cyber Truck Attack. [Re: KeithC] #8300688
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What would Von Mises think about Elon?


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Re: Terrorist Cyber Truck Attack. [Re: KeithC] #8300704
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Still waiting on BC to name any viable candidate that meets his approval.

Re: Terrorist Cyber Truck Attack. [Re: KeithC] #8300705
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Also the subtle dig at Angela for being to uneducated to follow his way of thinking.

Re: Terrorist Cyber Truck Attack. [Re: KeithC] #8300712
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I think he is just disappointed that she took an Economics class and still seems confused. I think Blane has very few liberal tendencies. I think he is more conservative than most of the people on here. He has many conservative standards. IMHO his saying that Elon , Vivik, and Trump are in this to enrich themselves is a bit nutty.


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Re: Terrorist Cyber Truck Attack. [Re: KeithC] #8300731
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To get back on track to the truck and explosion.
So a 19 years green beret. One year from retirement. Becomes the thing he has spent his career defending our country from. A suicide bomber. Something smells fishy, and I ain't trollin.

Re: Terrorist Cyber Truck Attack. [Re: Giant Sage] #8300732
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Originally Posted by Giant Sage
To get back on track to the truck and explosion.
So a 19 years green beret. One year from retirement. Becomes the thing he has spent his career defending our country from. A suicide bomber. Something smells fishy, and I ain't trollin.


Did you serve?


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Re: Terrorist Cyber Truck Attack. [Re: Dirt] #8300741
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No I did not, my wife is a retired veteran and a big part of our circle of friends are veterans and the consensus seems to be unanimous on the veracity of the story.

Re: Terrorist Cyber Truck Attack. [Re: KeithC] #8300742
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I did. Plenty of nuts in the Army.


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Re: Terrorist Cyber Truck Attack. [Re: KeithC] #8300743
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Trolls don't think that much Yote.

His posts are here to start crap because he's envious of two very successful men.

Re: Terrorist Cyber Truck Attack. [Re: hippie] #8300746
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Originally Posted by hippie
Trolls don't think that much Yote.

His posts are here to start crap because he's envious of two very successful men.

I guess I did make that sound like I was accusing someone of trolling.
That wasn't my intention. I was just making a pun of my fishy remark.
I can't really imagine being envious of someone that has filled bankruptcy 6 times.
Oops now I may be trolling a bit. grin

Re: Terrorist Cyber Truck Attack. [Re: KeithC] #8300747
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Free market capitalism has been dead for quite some time and isn't coming back without a civil war.


"Gold is money, everything else is just credit" JP Morgan
Re: Terrorist Cyber Truck Attack. [Re: Giant Sage] #8300748
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Originally Posted by Giant Sage
Originally Posted by hippie
Trolls don't think that much Yote.

His posts are here to start crap because he's envious of two very successful men.

I guess I did make that sound like I was accusing someone of trolling.
That wasn't my intention. I was just making a pun of my fishy remark.
I can't really imagine being envious of someone that has filled bankruptcy 6 times.
Oops now I may be trolling a bit. grin


LOL,
Not sure how you thought my comment to Yote was about you.

Re: Terrorist Cyber Truck Attack. [Re: Giant Sage] #8300749
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Originally Posted by Giant Sage
Originally Posted by hippie
Trolls don't think that much Yote.

His posts are here to start crap because he's envious of two very successful men.

I guess I did make that sound like I was accusing someone of trolling.
That wasn't my intention. I was just making a pun of my fishy remark.
I can't really imagine being envious of someone that has filled bankruptcy 6 times.
Oops now I may be trolling a bit. grin


Don't poke the Trumpies! mad


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Re: Terrorist Cyber Truck Attack. [Re: Blaine County] #8300751
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Originally Posted by Blaine County


Do they teach Intro to Macro Economics at your online college?

You cannot cheer for free market capitalism and also cheer for a guy whose wealth was built in large part because of government contracts, subsidies and tax credits. It is the antithesis of free market capitalism when a government picks winning industries/businesses with subsidies, tax credits, regulations, etc. I'll make it simpler--the wind energy industry. It only exists in the U.S. because of tax credits and would fail in a free market. The same is true for EVs, solar and batteries.

One would have hoped that with your new educational endeavor that you would become more objective and skeptical. If you cannot see that Elon, Vivek, Trump and the like are running a con on this country to make more money for themselves, you should ask for a refund. And the con is not availing themselves of government contracts (which I oppose), subsidies (which I oppose), tax credits (which I oppose), deregulation (which I support) and immigration (which I support). The con is getting people like yourself and Bruce T to believe that they give a crap about you and this country when all they are doing is adding zeros to their net worth.

Get back to me when you have a few more credits on the transcript. Even better, let me know when President Musk advocates for eliminating subsidies and tax credits that prop up his businesses. I will applaud him if he does, but will not be holding my breath.


I think you may need to do a bit more research into how Elon made his fortune originally. As a 24 year old, he designed an online city map program startup company, that he sold a few years later for $300 million. Not bad for a 24 year old LEGAL immigrant. With the proceeds, he founded this little company... you may have heard of it, it was called Paypal. He sold that company for a paltry $1.5 billion. So, it would appear to me that the free market made Musk a billionaire without the help of government subsidies.

I have already said that I do not support government subsidies, and Musk has said that he supports eliminating them as well. I guess you missed that part?? Link

But as I said in my previous post, the problem, in my opinion, is not that Musk, through Tesla, benefits through subsidies that the government hands out like candy, but that those subsidies exist at all. The fact that Musk supports eliminating them despite the fact that his company benefits from them, to me speaks volumes. He is willing to push to eliminate subsidies, that he would benefit from should they continue to exist. To me that shows he's more concerned with the welfare of the country than his own bottom line.

While I am not opposed to government tax credits in general, I am opposed to their use as you describe, to promote certain industries such as wind, solar, or EVs. Yes, Musk benefits from those credits. But again, how does that make HIM the problem? Doesn't the problem once again lie with the congress that passes those tax credits to begin with?

And again, Musk supported Trump's plan to eliminate the EV tax credit. I'm not gonna hunt up the link for you... check the transcript of Tesla's July earnings call if you want to, perhaps, "become more objective and skeptical".

Government contracts. Well, the government needs to purchase supplies from someone. What is ridiculous is the astronomical prices they pay for items that could be bought much cheaper. What is your suggestion for that, Blaine? Should a company like Space X just decline to do business with the government because the government is willing to pay more than we feel they should be paying?

You may notice a common denominator here. (Hint: It's the government). If you want to blame Musk for taking advantage of all the "free" money that the government is throwing around, then you also need to blame every corporation in America, because they all do the same. The problem isn't that companies are willing to take money that is literally being handed to them, it's that the money is being handed out in the first place.

So, now that I've shown you that Musk has come out in support of ending subsidies and tax credits that directly benefit his businesses, I'll stand by and wait for you to applaud him, as you said that you would. But I'll not hold my breath.

And get out of here with your digs about my "online college" and getting a few more credits on my transcript. It just makes you look petty.


Just give me one thing, that I can hold on to. To believe in this livin' is just a hard way to go.
Re: Terrorist Cyber Truck Attack. [Re: Dirt] #8300752
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Originally Posted by Dirt
I did. Plenty of nuts in the Army.


You've got a good point there, but what would be the advantage of using a military nut job getting ready to retire posably in a false flag event?
The gun control advocates would love to use red flag laws to disarm as many of our veterans as possible.
Look at the # of veterans that are medicated for a long list of reasons. I have no way of knowing if this event is a legitimate story. One thing is for sure it's a terrorist attack no matter how you slice it. Weather it's legitimate or some sort of a false flag event.

By the way, thank you for your service.

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Re: Terrorist Cyber Truck Attack. [Re: KeithC] #8300755
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I got paid. No thanks required.


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Re: Terrorist Cyber Truck Attack. [Re: Steven 49er] #8300761
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Originally Posted by Steven 49er
Free market capitalism has been dead for quite some time and isn't coming back without a civil war.


How are the less than 5 percent of the u.s. population that want free market capitalism going to start and win this civil war?


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