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Bird flu ......2 animal deaths Chicago zoo #8313752
01/16/25 03:17 AM
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Anyone have bird flu cases in your area yet.....

Re: Bird flu ......2 animal deaths Chicago zoo [Re: ] #8313762
01/16/25 05:18 AM
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There's been some bird flu cases in Darke County, Ohio and several other Ohio counties. They killed 33,000 turkeys and 931,000 chickens near a friend of mines farm. He was visited by the inspectors and told to report all bird deaths on his farm. He has peafowl, pheasants, guineas, chickens, quail and ducks, which could get infected. He also has pigeons and doves, which can't catch bird flu, even if it is injected in massive doses, because of their higher blood temperature. He has emu too. I don't know if emu can catch bird flu.

He, his son and grandson are worried they will cull all their birds, like has been done on so many other farms.

Data I have read over the last few years shows their is a very low mortality rate in most domestic flocks of 3% or less. There can be over a 90% mortality rate, in some cases, which is of course the number the media likes to scare people with.

Keith

Re: Bird flu ......2 animal deaths Chicago zoo [Re: ] #8313839
01/16/25 08:53 AM
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Been dead swans and geese here this winter in addition to domestic flocks being culled, it's bad. Hawk and eagle numbers are extremely low, starlings and crows have almost disappeared. Our nesting population of red winged black birds has mostly vanished, barn swallows also have dramatically decreased.

Re: Bird flu ......2 animal deaths Chicago zoo [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8313847
01/16/25 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Been dead swans and geese here this winter in addition to domestic flocks being culled, it's bad. Hawk and eagle numbers are extremely low, starlings and crows have almost disappeared. Our nesting population of red winged black birds has mostly vanished, barn swallows also have dramatically decreased.

I haven't seen any bird loss yet here


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Re: Bird flu ......2 animal deaths Chicago zoo [Re: KeithC] #8313871
01/16/25 09:35 AM
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Local farmer in my area grew from family operation to 12 full time employees year round ...no livestock......I think 8,000 + or - acres owned or rented combined ......has grown into mega farmer.....I'm always facinated by peoples success.......thinking....why can't I do that.........only in this case not.......he has ...to keep employees busy on non crop related time....acquired constriction equipment to clear every.patch.of woods....brush fence line...and has fleet of grain semi rigs.....again to keep busy....buys and hauls chicken manure from mega producers .....spreading it on every square inch of his operation....does not even tarp loads in transit so not lose time.........it's a stinking mess ....my issue is cancer risk he is creating......and now......bird flue is added to equation .....with who knows what is in manure particulates....and state of ohio EPA giving a long leash due to economics........general public health again put at risk in name of profits....hope I'm wrong.........IMO......farmers are interested in one thing green......and it's not plants.....its George Washington in their wallet ...

Re: Bird flu ......2 animal deaths Chicago zoo [Re: ] #8313888
01/16/25 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by 32summit40
Local farmer in my area grew from family operation to 12 full time employees year round ...no livestock......I think 8,000 + or - acres owned or rented combined ......has grown into mega farmer.....I'm always facinated by peoples success.......thinking....why can't I do that.........only in this case not.......he has ...to keep employees busy on non crop related time....acquired constriction equipment to clear every.patch.of woods....brush fence line...and has fleet of grain semi rigs.....again to keep busy....buys and hauls chicken manure from mega producers .....spreading it on every square inch of his operation....does not even tarp loads in transit so not lose time.........it's a stinking mess ....my issue is cancer risk he is creating......and now......bird flue is added to equation .....with who knows what is in manure particulates....and state of ohio EPA giving a long leash due to economics........general public health again put at risk in name of profits....hope I'm wrong.........IMO......farmers are interested in one thing green......and it's not plants.....its George Washington in their wallet ...



Your kind of talking out of both sides here. He has to find things to keep employees busy yet is so busy there is no time to tarp.

Keeping employees busy and the farm maintained is part of running a successful business.

If you ever dealt with a government agency well... have you ever ran a business of any type?

The government Has all kind of stupid rules. I can rase and slauter up to 20k meat bird and sell them directly to customers but if I do 20,001 I must be a licensed processor. I must sell them whole I can't part that bird out for my city clients that either smdont know how or what to do that themselves. That would be a nice way foe me to get an up charge but the government says no. Just a few of the small things.


Here is something for you to go complain about none of his drivers needs to have cdl to drive those rigs for farm use.

Your more concerned about what's in the trucks than the wild bird flocks flying around. Nope you just don't like the stink and Don't think about the wild flocks.

And stink it does.



now there have been large culls on some commercial places within 75 miles around here over the. last few years and killing everything within 5 miles of a case being found they can find frome what's on the net.

Then I see people promoting voluntary registration of back yard flocks. Ya no.

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Re: Bird flu ......2 animal deaths Chicago zoo [Re: KeithC] #8313914
01/16/25 10:38 AM
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Eggs are $5-$6 a dozen in Darke County.


Originally Posted by KeithC
There's been some bird flu cases in Darke County, Ohio and several other Ohio counties. They killed 33,000 turkeys and 931,000 chickens near a friend of mines farm. He was visited by the inspectors and told to report all bird deaths on his farm. He has peafowl, pheasants, guineas, chickens, quail and ducks, which could get infected. He also has pigeons and doves, which can't catch bird flu, even if it is injected in massive doses, because of their higher blood temperature. He has emu too. I don't know if emu can catch bird flu.

He, his son and grandson are worried they will cull all their birds, like has been done on so many other farms.

Data I have read over the last few years shows their is a very low mortality rate in most domestic flocks of 3% or less. There can be over a 90% mortality rate, in some cases, which is of course the number the media likes to scare people with.

Keith

Re: Bird flu ......2 animal deaths Chicago zoo [Re: ] #8313921
01/16/25 10:49 AM
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Re: Bird flu ......2 animal deaths Chicago zoo [Re: ] #8313922
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something tells me they didn't test 1 million chickens.

Re: Bird flu ......2 animal deaths Chicago zoo [Re: Providence Farm] #8314010
01/16/25 12:37 PM
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I never attempt to argue with keyboard warriors.......can I just say these mega egg producers would be in existance if not for hormones, pesticides, round up, herbicides in feed and in the bird itself, traces which is passed through excrement....dried manure....

I think its a carcinogen.....also no mega farms, less chance of bird flu..

Small independent producers can provide eggs healthier

I can't read obituary without reading on numerous obits.....

Courageous faught battle with cancer...

How about fighting courageous battle with carcinogens

And stop spreading chicken manure....which I think carries the bird flu virus

By the way the farmer calls it chicken litter......

Re: Bird flu ......2 animal deaths Chicago zoo [Re: ] #8314025
01/16/25 12:51 PM
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There has been a few hundred snow geese done in by it here in pa.

Re: Bird flu ......2 animal deaths Chicago zoo [Re: ] #8314028
01/16/25 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by 32summit40
I never attempt to argue with keyboard warriors.......can I just say these mega egg producers would be in existance if not for hormones, pesticides, round up, herbicides in feed and in the bird itself, traces which is passed through excrement....dried manure....

I think its a carcinogen.....also no mega farms, less chance of bird flu..

Small independent producers can provide eggs healthier

I can't read obituary without reading on numerous obits.....

Courageous faught battle with cancer...

How about fighting courageous battle with carcinogens

And stop spreading chicken manure....which I think carries the bird flu virus

By the way the farmer calls it chicken litter......



Randall, is that you. If it is tap twice….

Re: Bird flu ......2 animal deaths Chicago zoo [Re: ] #8314031
01/16/25 01:01 PM
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I found eggs on sale for .99/ dozen the other day. I can’t even begin to keep chickens for eggs that cheap here.

Re: Bird flu ......2 animal deaths Chicago zoo [Re: ] #8314044
01/16/25 01:11 PM
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During the winter of 22-24 where I trap in SE Alaska the mink population had plummeted from previous recent winters. The densities of mink where I trap had been very high, which is typical for the area. It appears to have affected marten to a slightly lesser degree.
After talking to one of the local ADFG biologists, it is thought that a very likely cause is due to avian flu, which has been detected in seabird die-offs in the State. It is possible that it is a local occurrence. I am not aware of what mustelid populations are doing in other parts of the State.


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Re: Bird flu ......2 animal deaths Chicago zoo [Re: ] #8314047
01/16/25 01:15 PM
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Re: Bird flu ......2 animal deaths Chicago zoo [Re: Bruce T] #8314056
01/16/25 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Bruce T
The sky is falling shocked grin

In this case it is literally the case, I have witnessed huge seabird die-offs in a couple of areas. Avian flu? I don't know, but it is entirely possible.


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Re: Bird flu ......2 animal deaths Chicago zoo [Re: waggler] #8314067
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Originally Posted by waggler
Originally Posted by Bruce T
The sky is falling shocked grin

In this case it is literally the case, I have witnessed huge seabird die-offs in a couple of areas. Avian flu? I don't know, but it is entirely possible.

Numerous domestic flocks have been culled locally and the wild birds are simply gone. Handfuls of swallows were there used to be thousands, zero red wing black birds in swamps that hundreds nested in. Something serious has and is happening

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Originally Posted by waggler
Originally Posted by Bruce T
The sky is falling shocked grin

In this case it is literally the case, I have witnessed huge seabird die-offs in a couple of areas. Avian flu? I don't know, but it is entirely possible.


I have seen the seabird die-offs. Pretty gnarly. They had blamed it on the warm “Blob” in the Gulf of Alaska, I thought.

I have noticed no magpies this year, at all. A bit unusual.

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They had blamed it on the warm “Blob” in the Gulf of Alaska, I thought.


They blamed everything on "the blob" that way they don't have to accept the fact trawling is hammering the fish, ruining habitat and leaving mammals to starve.

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Originally Posted by 32summit40
I never attempt to argue with keyboard warriors.......can I just say these mega egg producers would be in existance if not for hormones, pesticides, round up, herbicides in feed and in the bird itself, traces which is passed through excrement....dried manure....

I think its a carcinogen.....also no mega farms, less chance of bird flu..

Small independent producers can provide eggs healthier

I can't read obituary without reading on numerous obits.....

Courageous faught battle with cancer...

How about fighting courageous battle with carcinogens

And stop spreading chicken manure....which I think carries the bird flu virus

By the way the farmer calls it chicken litter......

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